Is John the Apostle Dead?

The Bible promises, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Heb 9:27). However, there have been two men taken by God that have survived thousands of years up the present day. Enoch’s translation is described in Genesis (Gen 5:24) where the text simply says, “He was not; for God took him”. Likewise, Elijah was taken up by God as described in II Ki 2:11 where it says, “Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”. These men were sterling representatives of the first two dispensations, the Patriarchical and Mosiaical. However, there is no explicit account of a similar translation from the Christian age. There is, though, both secular and prophetic evidence that the apostle John did not die, but was taken up. He is the Christian witness to the end of the age of the power of God and the truthfulness of His word.

As evidence that John is not dead, consider, first, Jesus’ peculiar remarks concerning John when Peter asked Him how John would die. Jesus answered, “If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?” (Jn 21:22). Now, that is not a direct promise that John would live until Jesus came, as John himself points out (Jn 21:23), but it does leave open that possibility. Next, consider the strange circumstances surrounding the supposed death of John. Hippolytus reports concerning John,

John, again, in Asia, was banished by Domitian the king to the isle of

Patmos, in which also he wrote his Gospel and saw the apocalyptic

vision; and in TrajanÂ’s time he fell asleep at Ephesus, where his

remains were sought for, but could not be found.

Early Church Fathers, Vol. 5, Hyppolytus on the Twelve Apostles, p535

So, according to the early church, John’s remains were never found and he was consequently PRESUMED dead. There is, however, a prophecy in the ancient Jewish literature, the Ascension of Isaiah, that says,

these are the days of the completion of the world.

2 After it is consummated, Beliar the great ruler, the king of this world, will descend, who hath ruled it since it came into being; yea, he will descent from his firmament in the likeness of a man, a lawless king, the slayer of his mother[Nero–JRJ]: who himself (even) this king.

3 Will persecute the plant which the Twelve Apostles of the Beloved have planted. Of the Twelve one will be delivered into his hands. Asc Isa 4:1-3

Unless God raises up one of the dead apostles, this prophecy (the same account that describes Isaiah being sawn in two–cp Heb 11:37) strongly suggests that one apostle must survive until Jesus comes, for it is appointed unto men ONCE to die (Heb 9:27).

To me, the most compelling evidence that John is not dead are two prophecies that cannot be fulfilled if John died a natural death in AD 101. The first is Jesus’ promise to James and John, the sons of Zebedee (Mk 10:35), that “ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized” (Mk 10:39). What cup did Jesus drink? Jn 18:11 tells us that the cup of which Jesus was drank was the fate of His death on the cross for confessing that He was the Son of God (Mt 26:63-66). The Bible says that King Herod beheaded James the son of Zebedee to vex the church, apparently for James’ testimony that Jesus was the Son of God (Acts 12:2, cp Acts 4:2). However, though Tertullian says that John was plunged into boiling oil by the Emperor Domitian in AD 95 (Tertullian, Early Church Fathers, Vol 3, Part Second, The Prescription Against Heretics, Ch 36, p489), John emerged unscathed and was subsequently sentenced to the mines on Patmos where he received the Revelation. After John was released from Patmos, he returned to Ephesus, from which city he disappeared around AD 100-104. If John died a natural death in Ephesus, as most historians suppose, he did not drink the cup that Jesus and James, John’s brother, and all of the other apostles drank. Since God CANNOT lie, and since John did NOT drink the cup that Jesus drank before his disappearnce in AD 101, John must still live and must still face the fate foreseen by Isaiah.

The second prophecy that makes the death of John impossible is the promise Jesus made to John on Patmos. Through His angel, Jesus promised John, “THOU must prophesy AGAIN before MANY peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings” (Rev 10:11, cp Rev 1:1). Now if John was on Patmos in AD 95 when he received and wrote the Revelation, and John was released from Patmos when Nerva came to the throne in AD 96, then it was only 4 years from the time that John was released until he disappeared from Ephesus. At the time of his release, John was nearly 100 years old, and history says that John was feeble, and had to be carried to the services of the church at Ephesus. There is no historical record whatever of John fulfilling the prophecy made by the angel in Rev 10:11. There is, however, a promise that John will return and apparently witness to the world at end of the age (see quotation above from Asc Isa 4:1-3). Since God cannot lie, the promise that John must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations and tongues and kings must be fulfilled, and in order for it to be fulfilled, John must still be alive.

An interesting consequence of the continued life of one of the apostles who was an auditioner of Jesus address in Mt 16:27-28 is the complete negation of the preterit doctrine. In Mt 16:27-28 Jesus speaks of His glorious return to earth at the end of the age and promises that some listening to Him speak would still be alive when He came again. Jesus promises, “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Mt 16:27).

The preterit position is that every prophecy of God was fulfilled by AD 70, and they cite Mt 16:27-28 as proof their doctrine. They use the supposed fact of the deaths of all the apostles to argue that Jesus must have figuratively come in His glory in AD 70. They say Mt 16:27 proves their view because they aver that none of the apostles could still alive. It is, however, impossible to reconcile the preterit world view with God’s revelation, for their teaching that all prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70 completely destroys the promises to the faithful that they will bodily rise from the dead (cp. Rom 8:11, I Cor 15:12-32) and inherit the kingdom of God (Mt 5:5, I Cor 3:21-22, II Pet 3:13, Rev 22:14). Since the preterit world view obliterates the hope and core of Christianity as it is clearly revealed by God, it cannot be right, and therefore their contention that nobody witnessing Jesus’ discourse in Mt 16:27 could still be living cannot be true. A living apostle stands as an irrefutable negation of their error, for his miraculous preservation to the end of the world is testimony certain that God was not done in AD 70. The living John provides for the literal fulfillment of Mt 16:27 at the Second Coming, for if John still lives, as the prophets say he must, then since he was one standing and listening to Jesus in Mt 16:27, then Jesus’ words can still be literally fulfilled at some future date when Jesus comes in His glory.

As we have seen, the Bible evidence requires that John the apostle still lives. Ancient prophecy points to his eventual return and sacrificial death. His being caught up and ultimate return provides an eyewitness of Christ from the Christian dispensation to those who live at the end of the age and completes the company of witnesses from the Patriarchical, Mosaical and Christian dispensations.

About James Johnson

Bible student for 60 years. Preacher of the gospel for over 40 years. Author of commentary on Revelation, All Power to the Lamb. Married with children. Worked in aerospace and computer engineering for over 40 years.
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47 Responses to Is John the Apostle Dead?

  1. peter says:

    Did john actually write the book of john???maybe it was mary,she was christs most loved desciple,

    Just a thought

  2. stan b says:

    I thought I was the only one that believed this way about the apostle John still being alive praise GOD I’m not the only one.I believe the HOLY SPIRIT was leading me to this belief years ago and I continue to believe it.

    • David says:

      Me too brother! I believe the Holy Spirit was leading me to this conclusion too. Amen! Come quickly Lord Jesus!

      • Melissa says:

        Read the Doctrine and Covenants Section 7 (found in Latter Day Saint scripture on lds.org). There you can read a translation of an ancient piece of parchment written by John himself. FASCINATING. It talks about John tarrying on the earth to help Christians in these perilous times …. right up to the time of Christ’s second coming.

  3. Robert Larsen says:

    The father & Holy Spirit are not bound by time we are, you have to think in dementions, All prophecy will be fulfilled. A few months ago I was translated back in time just after Yashusa ascended into heaven(20015) years ago. I was met by Peter, James & John, they knew my name and greeted me they answered my questions that I was asking Ya at that time, I was even dressed like they were then. All that took place in about 5 minutes of my time now. So yes John is alive because it is Ya’s will for it. man can’t use logic or intellect to figure out God.

    • God is transcendent, so He is not bound by time and space, for He created them (Gen 1:1). We can never know the full extent of God, for He is infinite, and we are finite. However, the Bible says we can reason from the scriptures (Acts 17:2, 18:4, etc.), so we can use logic to understand God’s will. Jesus did (Jn 3:12). God gave the scriptures so that we might learn. And, yes, all prophecy will be fulfilled. 🙂

  4. thomas cahill says:

    I believe he and e’noch will be the 2 witnesses at end time. is there anyone else that feels they wont see death, or am I a nut like everybody calls me

    • Enoch shows in Enoch 90 that Elijah is the other witness. Also, Malachi 4:5-6 shows that Elijah will return at the end of the age.

      • Johan says:

        I thought Jesus said John the Baptist was the Elijah who was to come?

        • Johan, thanks for your reply. Yes, Jesus did say that John the Baptist was the Elijah who was yet to come. However, when the prophecy of John was given prophesying John’s birth, the angel said the child would go in the spirit and power of Elijah (Lk 1:17). John was a separate person from John, but he operated in the same spirit and power of Elijah. Elijah may even have been with John during his ministry. Though John operated with the spirit and power of Elijah preparing the way for the Lord during the first coming of Christ, there are two comings of Christ. One yet remains. Malachi says the prophet Elijah will come before Jesus returns to prepare the way of the Lord:

          Malachi 4:5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
          6  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

          John the Baptist’s ministry was a type or foreshadowing of Elijah’s return. John died (Mt 14:9-10) just like Elijah is scheduled to die (Rev 11:7-8). If John the Baptist was literally Elijah, Elijah has already died once, and it is only appointed unto man to die once (Heb 9:7).

    • Claire says:

      If you go in the rapture….you will not see a physical death……ALLELUIA!!!

  5. Mark says:

    I personally believe it very possible that John is one of the 2 witnesses…Notice how he even lets the readers know who he is and that he gives testimony….which is what a witness gives! ( John 21:24 This is that disciple, which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things,and we know that his testimony is true. ) I actually believe he could still be imprisoned by the Romans in the isle of Patmos or held elsewhere! The story of him being in Ephesus could be made up to make people believe he had died. Plus the Revelations quote that he must “prophecy again” seconds the notion that he is still alive! What better witnesses to God’s truth can we get than one witness prior to the Messiah’s coming ( Elijah) and one witness (John) that was actually there?!!!!

    • Mark, Enoch tells us that the two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah (Enoch 90:31-32, 39). I believe John returns, but his mission is not with the two witnesses. The Ascension of Isaiah tells us that at the end of the age one of the twelve (John is the only one not dead, and Jesus said John might live till Jesus returns, John 21:22) is taken by Beliar “in the likeness of a man” (the Antichrist? Ascension of Isaiah 4:2-3). John must still be alive and must return before the end of the age (compare John 21:21) for John must “drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with”, and James son of Zebedee (Mt 20:20, Mk 3:7) has already drunk the cup (Acts 12:1-2), but John son of Zebedee disappeared from Ephesus in AD 101. John therefore has to return at the end of the age, just like the Ascension of Isaiah says he will.
      Enoch and Elijah went to be with the Watchers (Dan 4:17, Enoch 12:1-2). Most likely that is where John also went. There is no reason to believe he is still imprisoned on Patmos. There are several Ante-Nicene writers that speak of the activity of John after he left Patmos. Jerome says that Polycarp, a Second Century elder and martyr, was a student of John’s at Ephesus. If we are going to selectively dismiss evidence just because it disagrees with our opinion, we might as well give up on history.

      • Andrei says:

        It is likely that John and Elijah are the two witnesses, mainly because it is them that were kept in their human, earthly form.
        The problem with Enoch being one of the two is that he was translated – he represents the church to experience rapture. In his new form he can no longer taste death.

        • If you read the book of Enoch, it says Enoch went to be with the Watchers, which are a low level of angels assigned to watch men and to keep records on them. The Book of Enoch says Enoch actually returned for a time after God took him (Gen 5:24) to teach his children, so whatever happened to Enoch does not keep him from returning and teaching. Even if he does not have to die (Jesus didn’t, but He did), he may choose to do so. There is great reward in martyrdom. Enoch 90 is pretty clear that Enoch returns with Elijah to die in Jerusalem at the end of the age.

          • spencer says:

            but the book of enoch is not in the bible and thats all about tradition right?

          • Spencer, the entire Book of Enoch is not in the Bible, but Jude quotes Enoch 1:9 in Jude 1:14-15. Jude also called Enoch a prophet and called on Enoch to support his stinging rebuke of “certain men crept in unawares,…ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” In other words, Enoch is the second witness to the condemnation God has in store for these ungodly men, so Enoch is endorsed and considered by Jude to be a reliable prophet of God and inspired, by a man who is himself an inspired writer.

  6. Andrei says:

    Blessed be the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb who gave Himself for us to live. Amen!

    It is true that the Scriptures strongly indicate that the beloved apostle John could still be alive. All the verses you mentioned stand proof of that. To make a summary, in the order of relevance:

    1. Jesus states that some living in that time and place would not taste death until His return.
    Matt 16:28 | Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
    Luke 9:27 | But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

    2. Jesus states that John would tarry until His return.
    John 21:22 | Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

    3. Jesus states that that generation would not pass until all mentioned prophecies would be fulfilled. Mark 13:28-30 refers not only to the generation who sees Israel restored, but to that generation to whom He was talking to, as well. A generation is past once its last representative is past.
    Mark 13:30 | Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

    4. Another biblical reference indicates the purpose for John’s tarrying. Several translations show that in John 8:51 we have the word aion, which means an age, a definite period of time (here, dispensation would fit) and should not translate to never.
    51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall ‘never’ see death.

    • Andrei says:

      5. The prophecy that James and John would also drink the cup that He was to drink Himself. James was the first of the twelve to be martyred and John will probably be the last.
      Mark 10:39 | “[…] And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized”

      6. The prophecy that John would have to further prophesy on nations.
      Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

  7. Andrei says:

    There are others kept alive as well. See Revelation 1:7.

    • The ones in Rev 1:7 that are alive when Jesus returns “shall wail because of him”. They are not happy to see Him. Actually, I don’t get your point. Obviously, everyone is not dead when Jesus returns, because He kills a bunch of them (Rev 14:16-20). Some saints are alive too (Mt 24:39-41, Lk 17:34, 1Th 4:15).

      • Andrei says:

        Nowhere does it say those who remain have to be all good guys…

        Compare these two verses:

        1. Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
        2. Revelation 1:7 – “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.

        Notice the common verb here? Both verses talk about people that will “see” the return with their own eyes, and each verse tell us a bit about those people – that they shall not taste death until then, and that some of them are those who pierced him, respectively.

        The legend of The Wandering Jew speaks of the same fate but as a curse. I’m not saying I believe this legend – there’s no scriptural basis, but just to see things from another perspective as well. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew)

        Revelation 1:7 states that the eyes of those who pierced Him will see Him returning with the clouds.

  8. ShemSilber says:

    How is it that, years after Elijah was taken from Elisha, that he wrote a letter to the King of Judah years later, IF Elijah was taken up to the 3rd heaven (the 1st being the atmosphere, the 2nd, where the sun, moon, and stars are, and the 3rd, where Yahuwah’s throne is?

    Likewise, the Apostle John would not have to be taken up in order for the Master to keep him alive until He returned, but both of them remain alive on the earth, hidden from men’s eyes, and quite likely occupied with doing some work or other, as the Master directs. So there’s no way to tell where they are or what they are doing, but I choose to believe what the Word says in Malachi 4, in John 21 and Revelation 10:11, where John is told that he has some worldwide prophesying to do yet, and do we have any record of him ever doing so? Therefore I believe that Elijah and John are the two witnesses of Revelation 11, because it is profitable to believe the Word of our Abba (Father) Yahuwah, in Yahushua’s (Jesus’) Name, omein.

    • DayStar says:

      Thanks for the reply Shem. You need a source for your contention that Elijah wrote a letter to the King of Judah years after he was taken up. Also, I never contended Elisha was taken up to the third heaven. I would argue strongly he was not, for Jesus said, “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven” (Jn 3:13). Enoch was taken up to the first heaven to be with the Watchers (Enoch 12:1-3). I believe Elijah went there also and also the Apostle John, because they are all hidden and they all come back about the same time.
      I have no idea why you write belligerently about my article not believing the Word of the Father, for I also argue that there are unfulfilled prophecies about John and that he must return before the end of the age.

  9. spencer says:

    thanks for all your replies but there is still some thing here because JESUS said “if i will that he tarry till i come”(jhn21:22) and just bellow it(v23) but JESUS did not say he will tarry but he said ‘IF’…….are you guys trying to check out as i am?

    • Thanks for your reply, Spencer. I think there is something in John 21:22, so I don’t get your point about “there is still something here”. I agree that Jesus said, “IF I will that he tarry”. My argument is that even after making a conditional statement (“IF”), Jesus still left the door open for the possibility that John would tarry until Jesus returns, and there is a non-canonical prophecy that one of the Twelve will be taken by Beliar, the Devil, at the end of the age.

      The Ascension of Isaiah says that one of the Twelve will be taken by Beliar (Ascension of Isaiah 4:3 “Of the Twelve one will be delivered into his hands”). The Beast/Antichrist appears at the end of this age with the Devil (Rev 16:13) some 2000 years after the days of John, and John is the only one of the Twelve that we do not positively know were martyred for their testimony of Jesus. However, Jesus prophesied to James and John, “Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with…” (Matthew 20:23). Therefore, John MUST be martyred for his faith to fulfill Jesus’ prophecy, but he was not. His brother James was (Acts 12:2), but John disappeared from Ephesus in AD 101, and his body was never found, and he was presumed dead.

      Thanks,

      James

      • Wayland says:

        Wasn’t Judas one of the twelve and taken by the devil?

        • Judas was one of the twelve. Peter said, ‘That he [the new candidate selected to take Judas’ place] may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” I am not sure what you mean “taken by the Devil”. If you mean supernaturally, I would say, No. If you mean taken by the Devil’s use of the lust of the flesh to entice Judas to betray Jesus and fall, then I would say, Yes.

  10. Oyinlola Abiodun says:

    Paradise is quite different from heaven, if a person is caught to paradise, he’s not yet in heaven, though being a candidate of heaven already, there is tendency those Enoch, Elijah and John
    ve God is not interested in our physical bo

    • Oyinlola Abiodun says:

      Those one’s Elijah, Enoch and John may be in paradise. Paradise is different from heaven. God is interested in our mortal body sometimes if it pleases Him. Even the body of Jezebel suffered aafter her death. We only need to walk closer to Him. John did, so I also have that in my heart that he still lives. Jesus Himself did not want to disclose that John would die like others or not.

      • Oyinlola, I agree that Paradise is different from heaven. The Greek word from which we read of Paradise in the New Testament is paradeisos and the word means garden. The Garden of Eden was in this sense the original paradise of God (Gen 2:8). Since Eden was first forbidden to man (Gen 3:24) and then destroyed at or before the Great Flood (Gen 7:30), the reference to Paradise now pertains to heaven. The tree of life is in the midst of the Paradise of God (Rev 2:7), but the tree of life is inside New Jerusalem and close to the throne of God (Rev 22:2). Paradise, the garden of God, is in heaven, but it is smaller than heaven. Heaven includes not only the City of God, but also the area of the tabernacle (Rev 15:5) and things outside the city (Rev 21:24, 22:15).

        I think John is alive too. The Ascension of Isaiah 4:3 says, “this king [Beliar, Antichrist] 3. Will persecute the plant which the Twelve Apostles of the Beloved have planted. Of the Twelve one will be delivered into his hands.”
        Jesus promised John that he would drink the same cup Jesus did (Mt 20:22-23), and that cup was death. John did not die. In AD 101 brethren came looking for John one morning when lived as a very old man in Ephesus, but they couldn’t find him. They made a thorough search, but no one had seem him, and no body was found, so they presumed he was dead. He wasn’t. The Ascension of Isaiah requires that one of the apostles still be living at the time of the Antichrist. John is the only possibly living apostle. Therefore, John is to return at the end of the age.

        There are still unfulfilled prophesies regarding John. One regards John’s death. Eleven of the apostles suffered martyrdom. John was the only exception, and Jesus specifically said he had to be martyred like Jesus was (Mt 20:22-23). The Ascension of Isaiah shows an apostle is to be captured by the Antichrist at the end of the age. Christians in the hands of the Antichrist must take the mark or die, so John obviously chooses death.

        When John is given into the hands of the Antichrist, he is to fulfill another prophecy. It was prophesied he would prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues and kings (Rev 10:11). That prophecy was given while he was in Patmos in AD 96, and after that he went to Ephesus. He never prophesied in Ephesus to many people, nations, tongues, and kings. He was taken up a few years after AD 96 in AD 101, and this prophecy has not been fulfilled either, but it can be when he stands as a trophy captive before the Antichrist as Isaiah says. My speculation is that he will be testifying before the Antichrist when Jesus returns, because Jesus said, what is it to you if I will that he live till I come? (Jn 21:22). John is to be martyred, but he is to live till Jesus comes. He is to testify before many many people, nations, tongues, and kings. John could fulfill all of those prophecies while he stands and prophesies before the Antichrist and his armies at Jesus’ coming.

        • Dr.R Narag. says:

          I also feel the same way, but what the Holy Spirit is teaching me that John the Beloved did not die but went to Potamos NOT PATMOS, because Patmos is not Patmos during his time but Lethos which is an Island of Paganism Center.
          John went to Potamos which is the place of the River of life read Revelation chapter 21- 22, This is also the place where Enoch was brougth by an angel. Potamos is the Garden of Eden and that is Eastern border of South East Asia (Qedem) Genesis 2:8 near the islands of Ophir (Philippines).
          I stand to be corrected please pray for me and this Revelation
          Yahuah Bless us all for this Revelation.

    • The only place I can find Paradise now is in heaven around the throne of God, because that is where the tree of life is (Rev 22:1-2), and the trees of life are in the midst of the paradise of God (Rev 2:7).

  11. J-M says:

    Very interesting information. I hadn’t known all that. I had thought it was an established, irrefutable fact that he died. I didn’t realise they never found the body.

    • There is a tomb they found in Ephesus with “John” inscribed on it, but there is nothing whatever to link it to the Apostle John. The Ante-Nicene fathers who were contemporaries and eye witnesses, said they looked for the body but never found it.
      James

  12. DR? LUKE PROPHET says:

    John and James of Zebedee have already been back on earth. They represented one of the two events that make up the second Woe. If you read Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses would be prophesying for 1260 days and then killed. (this is what wearing sackcloth represents) John and James of Zebedee were Jack and Bobby Kennedy. If you add the time Jack became president until his assassination, and then add this time to the time of the resignation of Bobby as Attorney General, as Bobby stayed on in government after his brother was killed, you get 1260 days.

  13. Endar Malkovich says:

    Yahshuah said no man has gone to heaven. Since he’s the full authority, everything must me measured through his meaning based on hebrew culture, not western Greek philosophy. Nothing says Enoch went to heaven. The text says in hebrew that he was translated, hence moved to another place.

  14. Endar Malkovich says:

    As for elijah, our old testament comes from the masoretic text not the septuagint. In the LXX it reads “as if into heaven”. John chrysostom, Cyril, and Photios all claim the same thing as well as others.

  15. Dust O'da Ages says:

    He lives still.

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