John is Not Elijah

The Jews sent priests and Levites to John to ask him who he was, “And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not” (John 1:20).

Later, when Jesus was returning from the Mount of Transfiguration, He commanded Peter, James and John not to discuss what they had just seen until He was risen from the dead. Well, Elijah had been with Jesus on the Mount of Tranfiguration, but Jesus told them not to tell anybody. His instructions to keep it quiet raised a question in the minds of the apostles about a prophecy. Zech 4:5 distinctly promised that Elijah the Tishbite would return. They wondered why He would want to keep it quiet if the prophets said it would happen, so they asked, “Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?” (Mt 17:10). Jesus then answered with two apparently contradictory statements. He said

1) Elijah will truly come first and restore all things before the great and dreadful day of the Lord at the end of the world (Mt 17:10).
2) But–“Elijah” has come already, and they knew him not, but done unto him (John) whatever they wanted in Jesus’ day (Mt 17:11)

The statements appear to be contradictory because (1) says Elijah’s coming is yet future while (2) says he has come already. However, Jesus evidently refers to two separate events. (2) evidently refers to the type that John provided, because John was not literally Elijah. What you have, then, is this. John and Jesus were a type of the Second Coming. John and Jesus were the two witnesses that testified of the first coming of the kingdom. They served as a type of the two witnesses at the end of the world (Enoch and Elijah) that will testify of the coming of the kingdom in its fullness at the Second Coming. While the real Elijah will return “before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD” (Mal 4:5), the typical Elijah came in Jesus’ day. Jesus referred to both the typical Elijah (John–Mt 17:11) and the real Elijah (Elijah the Tishbite–Mt 17:10) in His conversation with the apostles as they came down off the the Mount of Transfiguration.

Jesus’ statement does not contradict John’s. The priests wanted to know if John was Elijah the Tishbite returned to earth. He told them he was not. That was a truthful answer. In Jesus’ conversation with the disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus said John was Elijah. Jesus was also truthful, but He had reference to John serving as a type of Elijah. The apostles figured out that Jesus had reference to John as a type of Elijah, even though they had seen Elijah the Tishbite with their own eyes a few minutes before.

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The Day of Jacob’s Trouble–Jeremiah 30 and Isaiah 17

I know applying prophecy is risky, and I hesitated for several days and asked the opinion of others before I put out the post on Jer 30. Yeah, I could be dead wrong, because I am no prophet, and meaning can hinge on a fact or facts of which I am unaware, so, it is risky putting out predictions. All one has to do is look at the Millerites and know how risky applying prophecy can be. On the other hand, I am not predicting the Second Coming, and people were, after all, expecting the Messiah because of the prophets and were right about it at the time that He came the first time (Lk 2:38). Also, Daniel says that in the time of the end that knowledge would be increased (Dan 12:4). Peter said that he was in the last days at the time of Pentecost (Acts 12:16-17), and it is 2000 years past his last days. Seems like a pretty safe bet that we are fairly close to the time of the end, and knowledge is certainly increased, so we should not be surprised to understand more about what God has prophesied. It is also true that Jesus expected Christians in general to be able to identify the time when the abomination of desolation stood where he should not, for they were not to go into the cities, but were to flee to the hills (Mt 24:15-16, Mk 13:14). If one was unable to identify the situation described in the prophecy at the time when it occurred, Jesus’ warning was useless.

Because so much of the alloted time has passed for this world, opportunity for fulfillment of prophecy is sort of compressed. There are not going to be a bunch more carryings away into captivity, etc., before the end of the world. Based on the signs (a great falling away, for one–II Thes 2:3, the fig tree is budding–Israel has shown signs of life after a long winter of dormancy–Mt 24:32, the ten federated kings of Europe–Dan 7:24, the twleve last shepherds of Israel–En 90:19, et al.), the end of the world is probably not too far away, so that does not give a lot of time for any unfulfilled prophecy to be fulfilled. Therefore, just based on the time crunch, I should not be too far off on the destruction of Damascus. There has to be time after the DoD (Destruction of Damascus ) for Israel to have some time at peace (“Israel dwelleth safely” Ezek 38:14), for the invasion of Gog and Magog comes against “the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land” (Ezek 38:12). Obviously, the Ezekiel prophecy is for some time in the future, for while Israel surely has been gathered from the nations, it has just as surely not had peace. Peace is what comes to Israel after Isa 17 and Jer 30. Their enemies are then either dead, fled or servants.

From what we know about the history of the Middle East, it is extremely likely that Isaiah 17 has never been fulfilled. Damascus brags that it is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world. They claim it has been there for 5000 years. Probably it has been there at least 3500 years. We can say positively that it has never been a heap since Isaiah wrote in 700 BC. Since God cannot lie, Damascus will become a heap, it will become a heap overnight (Isa 17:14), it will not be rebuilt (Isa 17:1), and Syria will cease to be a nation (Isa 17:3). You can plainly read all of that in Isaiah 17. It does not require any interpretation other than being able to read. Since Syria and Damascus continue to the present day, the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled. That’s not rocket science either. Further, Damascus and Jordan (“the cities of Aroer”–Isa 17:2) have to become uninhabited before the end of the world, because they become a place for flocks (Isa 17:2), and the people of Damascus and Syria become as the [riches] of Israel (Isa 17:3), and the text says that a remnant of Israel survives the same destruction that takes out Syria and Jordan (Isa 17:1-3, 6). When the end of the world comes, nobody survives, for it is appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgment (Heb 9:27). When Christ comes, He and God burn the earth with fire (II Thes 1:7, II Pet 3:7) and destroy all unresurrected living things that remain, so Isa 17 cannot refer to the end of the world. The land of Syria belongs to Israel by God’s Royal Grant to Abraham (Gen 15:18). Syria was once possessed by Israel (II Sam 8:6), and God has promised to give the land that is in Syria to Israel.

Yes, the Bible teaches that some people from the nothern tribes moved into the south. Paul even mentions the twelve tribes in Acts 26:7. Howver, I have been unable to identify any descended from these northern tribes in my studies. I have found Judah, Benjamin, and Simeon mentioned in the NT, but nobody from the north. There is no evidence of which I am aware that anyone from the northern tribes that had returned with Judah had preserved his lineage. Some people came back from Babylonian captivity that could not prove their lineage (Ezra 2:62, Neh 7:64), so maybe that’s what happened to the folks from the north. However, if you look at the genealogies of the people that came back with Ezra, they go back to Judah (Ezra 2:1-35), and not to the northern tribes.

As far as James addressing his book to the twelve tribes scattered abroad, I think James’ address to the twelve tribes was not so much an affirmation that he could identify the 12 tribes as it was a general greeting to Israel, whereever his letter might chance to find them. He believed they still existed, and he might not have known where they were but recognized the possibility that his letter might fall into the hands of someone descended from the northern tribes. Paul and James likely were merely expressing their belief that these northern ten tribes still existed somewhere, for they evidently believed God had preserved them, as the Jewish writings affirmed (II Esdras 13:40-47).

As far as the restoration of Israel from the lands of Assyrians, it is possible that some returned from the 10 northern tribes, but so far as I have ever found, if they did, none of them preserved their lineage. The Jewish writings say that they did not return with Judah, because Israel had gone into a far country where mankind had not lived before (II Esdras 13:41) before Judah went into captivity. There is a prophecy of the return of the ten tribes in II Esdras 13:46 and also in the Sibylline Oracles, Book II, Line 215 and Hosea 1:11. The details of the prophecy in II Esdras 13:46 say the 10 tribes will return when the waters of the Euphrates dry up, and Rev 16:12 prophesies that the waters of the Euphrates WILL dry up. That event does not happen until the Man of Sin/the Beast arises (II Thes 2:2-12, Rev 16:14-16). Hosea 1:11 says that when Israel returns, they will be an identifiable body of people, for they meet with Judah and select a common leader. It will be just days before the end of the world, for when the northern 10 tribes return to Judah and select a common leader, they immediately leave the Land (“And they will go up from the land, For great will be the day of Jezreel” [Jezreel is near Har-Megiddo])!

Jer 30 parallels Isa 17. Like Isa 17:4 speaks of “Jacob” that includes people of the northern tribes, so also does Jer 30 place the prophecy in the time when God will “bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah” (Jer 30:3). Like “the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean” in Isa 17:4, so also Jeremiah says “that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer 30:7). Like Isa says “gleanings will be left in it like the shaking of an olive tree” (Isa 17:6), Jeremiah agrees that in the day of Jacob’s trouble “he shall be saved out of it” (Jer 30:7). Like Jeremiah says of the attacking nations, “They that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey” (Jer 30:16), Isaiah promises that Syria will become “as the glory [riches–H3519] of the children of Israel” (Isa 17:3). God has not yet given the enemies of Israel to them as spoil. But it happens in a day (Isa 17:14), a day of Jacob’s trouble (Jer 30:7-8), when Israel is nearly annihilated, but emerges from near annihilation to occupy the lands of its enemies and live at peace (Ezek 38:14) serving “the LORD their God, and David their king” (Jer 30:9).

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What is the Day of Jacob’s Trouble?

I wrote about Isaiah’s prophecy in Isa 17 where Isaiah foresaw the destruction of Israel’s enemies. At the time under consideration in Isaiah 17, the nation of Israel also would be severely injured. Only little pieces of Israel would remain, comparable to a couple of berries in the top of an olive tree and four or five berries at the end of a fruitful bough such as remain after the harvest (Isa 17:6). However, Israel’s enemies will be destroyed and Israel will occupy the land previously held by their enemies (Isa 17:3), because the kingdom of Syria will cease, and those Syrians that remain will serve as glory or riches for Israel. God will fight for Israel, and the invasion of the nations around Israel that begins like the rushing of many waters (Isa 17:13), will end with these nations being chased like a tumbleweed before a windstorm or like chaff of the mountains before the gale (Isa 17:14).

There is a parallel prophecy in Jer 30 that speaks of a day of Jacob’s trouble. Like the prophecy in Isaiah 17 shows us that the prophecy is for our day because present day Damascus has never in 4000 years been a heap, but the prophet says it will become one (Isa 17:1), even so we can tell Jer 30 is for our day because it speaks of a day when God will restore the captivity of Judah AND Israel while they still are surrounded by enemies (Jer 30:3). Jeremiah 30 therefore cannot be fulfilled until after at least some of the northern tribes return. However, in the past few months we have seen the incredible fulfillment of the restoration of part of the northern tribes of Israel (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57374). Jews in India that trace their history back to the lost tribe of Manasseh have returned to Israel. So now parts of both Judah and Israel have been restored and the prerequisite for Jer 30 has been satisfied. Jer 30:4 says that after the restoration of Judah and Israel there will be a time of Jacob’s trouble like none before it (Jer 30:7). The time following the restoration of Judah and Israel will be a time of panic and terror, not of peace (Jer 30:5), so the prophet is not referring to the new earth where we would expect to find no more curse and eternal peace (Rev 20:4, Isa 9:7). Also, later, after Jacob is restored from this trouble, God will punish those that oppress Jacob (Jer 30:20) such that they will go into servitude (Jer 30:16), and it will take place in “the latter days” (Jer 30:24), not in the world to come. Finally, nothing at all is said in Jer 30 regarding the idols. Modern Israel has been cured of its idolatry, so that is not a problem, but secularism remains. God is fixing to cure that also.

Another possibility for the time of Jacob’s trouble is the invasion of Gog and Magog under the leadership of the Man of Sin at the end of the world (Ezek 38:2, Rev 20:8). However, if the time of Jacob’s trouble was the Battle of Armageddon, why would brave men then stand with their hands on their loins like women in travail (Jer 30:6)? They would not. They would fight, just like a third of men had already died fighting the same army of the Devil (Rev 9:15). Also, the day of Jacob’s trouble will be a day of punishment for Israel as well as the nations, though God will not make an end of Jacob when He punishes them (Jer 30:11). This does not sound like the day of the Lord when God comes to avenge His elect, for that will be a day of gladness for the elect (II Thes 1:10, 2:19, I Pet 4:13). There is no punishment for the righteous when Christ comes again, but Jacob is punished for his transgression in the time of his trouble (Jer 30:11). Also, when Christ comes again, he burns the earth (II Pet 3:7) and makes a complete end of all life upon the earth until He restores it again (Acts 3:21). In the burning of the earth, He makes a full end of Israel just like He makes an end of all the nations around them, but Jer 30 says He does not make a full end of Israel in the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer 30:11).

Many have thought the time of Jacob’s trouble referred to the Holocaust, but Jacob’s trouble occurs after the restoration of both Judah and Israel to the land (Jer 30:4), and that did not happen until after the Holocaust.. The day of Jacob’s trouble will be like none other (Jer 30:7), and it will therefore be worse than the Holocaust. What could be worse than the massacre of 6 million Jews? How about a nuclear war that destroys 95 percent of Israel’s population? Israel’s population today is about 11 million. If 95 percent of these perish in a nuclear war, that would result in about 10 million casualties. That is almost twice as many as perished in the Holocaust.

What is the day of Jacob’s trouble? As we studied in our remarks on Isa 17, it appears to be a nuclear war between Israel and the Arab nations that surround her including Syria, Jordon and Lebanon. One indication that it is a nuclear war is the strange remark in Jer 30 regarding men holding their loins in obvious pain. As a result of the day of Jacob’s trouble, men will be in pain in their gut and privates like a woman in travail (Jer 30:6). Such symptoms remind one of radiation sickness that causes symptoms in the abdomen like bloody urine, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting. Other indications that it is a nuclear war include: the destruction of the nations in a single day (Isa 17:4, 14), the day reduces the population of Israel like the harvest of an olive tree reduces the fruit left on the tree (Isa 17:6), the day causes people to be in pain in the abdomen like a woman in travail (Jer 30:6), the day makes the major cities uninhabitable (Isa 17:9), and the day destroys all the enemy nations around Israel (Isa 17:1-3, Jer 30:11).

There is a lot that indicates that these events will happen soon. The chief driver is Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He is a Shia Muslim (a Twelver) who believes in the imminent return of the Twelfth Imam. The short version is that this imam is supposed to return when there is a great apocalypse, and Ahmadinejad is trying to create an apocalypse by fomenting a nuclear war with Israel. He believes that by causing a nuclear war the 12th Imam (the Mahdi) will be forced to return (http://www.thefinalmovebeyondiraq.com/2007/08/second-coming-of-mahdi.html). After Mahdi returns, Muslim Twelvers believe the world will end in seven years, so essentially Ahmadinejad is trying to bring about the end of the world. Ahmadinejad has promised the Palestinians that by next summer (the summer of 2008) they will be “free”. What that means is that Ahmadinejad believes that by next summer Israel will cease to exist. It also means that Ahmadinejad is very close to having the nuclear weapons he needs to bring about his holocaust.

Besides the fact that Israel survives this horrible day and their enemies don’t (Isa 17:1-3, Jer 30:11), the amazing thing is what happens after the war. One of the problems in Israel now is that it is very much a secular state. Estimates place the percentage of secularists in Israel at 96%. God is not pleased with such faithlessness, and because of the faithless condition of Jacob before the day of his trouble, God condemns Jacob for “the multitude of thy iniquity” (Jer 30:15, 11-14). However, after the war is over, Israel’s enemies are destroyed, Israel is cured of its secularism, and “they shall serve the LORD their God [the temple rebuilt?], and David their king” (Jer 30:9). The amazing thing is that “David their king” is the same Jesus that their forefathers would not accept to rule over them (Jn 19:14-15, Mk 15:9-14). It appears that when the war is over, the time of Jacob’s blindness to the Messiah is over with it (Rom 11:26). Just as the holy city was to be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until their time was fulfilled (Rev 11:2, Lk 21:4), even so Jacob was to suffer from blindness regarding the Messiah until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. Just as the holy city is not to suffer from the trampling of the Gentiles any more, perhaps the time is right for God to finally grant Jacob his sight regarding the Messiah.

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Our Adoption

It was necessary that Jesus be genetically related to David in order to be an heir, for God spoke through Nathan the prophet saying,

2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

So, it was necessary for Jesus to be genetically related to David in order for Him to be a candidate for the throne at all. Obviously, God had the whole thing planned out, even before David, because God does NOT say “thy son after thee” which would be the case if Jesus was genetically related through Joseph, but God says, “Thy SEED after thee”. Jesus was “seed” through Mary, but not “son” through His earthly father, Joseph. It was necessary for Joseph to adopt Jesus in order for Jesus to be heir to David’s throne through the kingly lineage of Joseph.

Jesus was the adopted son of Joseph (Mt 1:20), and thereby became an adopted son of David (Mt 1:6-16) and heir to throne of David. We Christians who make the resurrection (Rom 8:23, Lk 20:35) become adopted sons of God, and thereby become heirs to the world (Rev 21:7). Jesus as a Jew (Col 2:17, Heb 8:5) served as a type of our own adoption. Very interesting.

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Jesus as a Type of Our Adoption

Jesus was the adopted son of Joseph (Mt 1:20), and thereby became an adopted son of David (Mt 1:6-16) and heir to throne of David. We Christians who make the resurrection (Rom 8:23, Lk 20:35) become adopted sons of God, and thereby become heirs to the world (Rev 21:7). Jesus as Jew (Col 2:17, Heb 8:5) served as a type of our own adoption.

Jesus was also physically related to David through Mary, who was a descendant of King David’s son Nathan (Lk 3:31). It was necessary that Jesus be genetically related to David in order to be an heir, for God spoke through Nathan the prophet saying,

2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

So, it was necessary for Jesus to be genetically related to David in order for Him to be a candidate for the throne at all. Obviously, God had the whole thing planned out, even before David, because God does NOT say “thy son after thee” which would be the case if Jesus was genetically related through Joseph, but God says, “Thy SEED after thee”. Jesus was “seed” through Mary, but not “son” through Joseph, so God is shown to be meticulously accurate once again.

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What About the Sibylline Oracles

In the Greek and Roman world, the Sibyls were elderly prophetesses who usually prophesied in a state of ecstasy (trance-like). The writing attributed to them often contain various prophecies that support Christian beliefs. Modern scholars usually explain this fact by saying that either the Jews or the Christians tampered with the Sibylline Oracles. The problem is, that there is no evidence of this. In fact, the early Christians believed that God had planted seeds of truth in the Greek and Roman cultures through the Sibyls. Obviously God dealt with the nations at some time, for Romans 1 says that “God gave them up” (Rom 1:26). He could not have given up on people that he never made any effort to guide. Balaam is one example of a Gentile prophet (Num 22:6). Melchizedik (Gen 14:18-20) and Jethro are possibly two others (Ex 18:12-20).

In contrast to the bishops at Carthage that gave us our canon in 397, the brethren 200 years earlier spoke quite favorably of the sibys, and believed that the things they spoke were true. Here are some examples

The Sibyl and Hystaspes said that tehre would be a dissolution of all corruptible things by God. Justin Martyr (c. 160). Early Church Fathers (ECF), Vol 1:169.

[Addressed to pagans:] You may in part easily learn the right religion from the ancient Sibyl. For, by some kind of powerful inspiration, she teaches you. Through her oracular predictions, she teaches truths that seem to be similar to the teaching of the prophets. They say that she was of Babylonian lineage, being the daughter of Berosus, who wrote the the History of the Chaldeans. Justin Martyr (c. 160), ECF, Vol 1:288.

But I have to remark further, that the Sibyl also has said concerning them that they worship the images of decesased kings. Melito (c. 170), ECF Vol 8:752.

Also, among the Greeks there was the Sibyl. They all have spoken things consistent and harmoneous with each other. Theophilus (c. 180), ECF Vol 2:97.

From that time [i.e., of the tower of Babel], Gond confused the languages of men, giving to each a different dialect. And the Sibyl speaks similarly of this…”In the Assyrian land they built a tower, and all were of one speech, and wished to rise even until they climbed unto the starry heavens.” Theophilus (c. 180), ECF Vol 2:106.

The Sibyl was a prophetess among the Greeks and the other nations. In the beginning of her prophecy, she reproaches the race of men, saying,…”Do you not tremble, nor fear God Most High?…There is only one uncreated God, who reigns alone, all-powerful, very great, from whom nothing is hid.” Theophilus (c. 180), ECF Vol 2:108, 109.

It is manifestly from the prophetess of the Hebrews [i.e., the Sibyl] who prophesies in the following manner: “What flesh can see with the eye the celestial, the true, the immortal God, who inhabits the vault of heaven?” Clement of Alexandria (c. 195), ECF Vol 2:192

Marcus Varro [an ancient Roman writer]…says that the Sibylline Books were not the production of one Sibyl only. Rather, they were called by one name, Sibylline, because all the prophetesses were called Sibyls by the ancients… So all these Sibyls proclaim one God….Now, in these verses that the ambassadors brought to Rome, there are these testimonies respecting the one God: “One God, who is alone, most mighty, uncreated.” This is the only supreme God, who made the heaven, and decked it with lights. “But there is only one God of pre-eminent power, who made the heaven, the sun, the stars, the moon, the fruitful earth, and the waves of the water of the sea.” …”Worship Him who is alone the ruler of the world, who alone was and is from age to age.” Also, another Sibyl, whoever she was, said that she conveyed the voice of God to men. On His behalf, she said: “I am the one only God, and there is no other God.” Lactantius (c. 304-313), ECF Vol 7:15, 16.

There is a Son of the Most High God, who is possessed of the greatest power. This is shown not only by the unanimous utterance of the prophets, but also by…the predictions of the Sibyls…The Erythraean Sibyl, in the beginning of her poem (which she began with “the Supreme God”), proclaims the Son of God as the leader and commander of all, in the following verses: “The Nourisher and Creator of all things, who placed the sweet breath in all, and made God the Leader of all.” And again, at the end of the same poem: “But whom God gave for faithful men to honor.” And another Sibyl declares that He should be known: “Know Him as your God, who is the Son of God.” Lactantius (c.304-313), ECF Vol 7:105.

The Sibyl had foretold in advance that the miracle would take place, whose verses are related to this effect: “With five loaves at the same time, and with two fishes, He will satisfy five thousand men in the wilderness.”…And again, another says, “He will walk on the waves. He will release men from disease. He will raise the dead and drive away many pains. And from the bread of one pouch, there will be a satisfying of men.” Being refuted by these testimonies, some are accustomed to fall back on the claim that these poems were not written by the Sibyls, but were invented and composed by our own writers, instead. However, he who has read Cicero, Varro, and other ancient writers will assuredly not think this. For they make mention of the Erythraean and the other Sibyls, from who books we bring forth these examples. And those authors died before the birth of Christ according to the flesh. However, I do not doubt that in former times these poems were regarded as ravings. For, at that time, no one understood them…. Therefore, they were neglected for many ages. But, they received attention after the birth and passion of Christ. Lactantius (c. 304-313), ECF Vol 7:116.

The Sibyl also showed that the same things would happen: “He will afterwards come into the hands of the unjust and the faithless. And they will inflict blows with impure hands on God.” Lactantius (c. 304-313), ECF Vol 7:120.

[James J. continues] While the early Christian writers regarded the pagan oracles with contempt and empowered by demons, they nevertheless spoke favorably of the Sibyls. For example, Lactantius, when speaking of the pagan oracles, said, “However, all these things are deceptions. For since demons have some foreknowledge of the arrangements of God (having been His ministers), they interpose themselves in these matters… so it will appear that they themseles are doing it” (ECF, Vol 7:66). So we have very strong evidence from the earliest Christian orthodox writers, that in contrast to the pagan oracles such the ones at Delpi and Apollo, the Sibyls were highly regarded among the brethren. Justin Martyr, one of the very oldest writers, even said they had some kind of powerful inspiration. Considering the early evidence, it seems to be overreaching to summarily dismiss it as fiction.

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Were the Sibylline Oracles Inspired?

In the Greek and Roman world, the Sibyls were elderly prophetesses who usually prophesied in a state of ecstasy (trance-like). The writings attributed to them often contain various prophecies that support Christian beliefs. Modern scholars usually explain this fact by saying that either the Jews or the Christians tampered with the Sibylline Oracles. The problem is, that there is no evidence of this. In fact, the early Christians believed that God had planted seeds of truth in the Greek and Roman cultures through the Sibyls. Obviously God dealt with the nations at some time, for Romans 1 says that “God gave them up” (Rom 1:26). He could not have given up on people that he never made any effort to guide. Balaam is one example of a Gentile prophet (Num 22:6). Melchizedik (Gen 14:18-20) and Jethro are possibly two others (Ex 18:12-20).

In contrast to the bishops at Carthage that gave us our canon in 397, the brethren 200 years earlier spoke quite favorably of the sibys, and believed that the things they spoke were true. Here are some examples

The Sibyl and Hystaspes said that there would be a dissolution of all corruptible things by God. Justin Martyr (c. 160). Early Church Fathers (ECF), Vol 1:169.

[Addressed to pagans:] You may in part easily learn the right religion from the ancient Sibyl. For, by some kind of powerful inspiration, she teaches you. Through her oracular predictions, she teaches truths that seem to be similar to the teaching of the prophets. They say that she was of Babylonian lineage, being the daughter of Berosus, who wrote the the History of the Chaldeans. Justin Martyr (c. 160), ECF, Vol 1:288.

But I have to remark further, that the Sibyl also has said concerning them that they worship the images of decesased kings. Melito (c. 170), ECF Vol 8:752.

Also, among the Greeks there was the Sibyl. They all have spoken things consistent and harmoneous with each other. Theophilus (c. 180), ECF Vol 2:97.

From that time [i.e., of the tower of Babel], Gond confused the languages of men, giving to each a different dialect. And the Sibyl speaks similarly of this…”In the Assyrian land they built a tower, and all were of one speech, and wished to rise even until they climbed unto the starry heavens.” Theophilus (c. 180), ECF Vol 2:106.

The Sibyl was a prophetess among the Greeks and the other nations. In the beginning of her prophecy, she reproaches the race of men, saying,…”Do you not tremble, nor fear God Most High?…There is only one uncreated God, who reigns alone, all-powerful, very great, from whom nothing is hid.” Theophilus (c. 180), ECF Vol 2:108, 109.

It is manifestly from the prophetess of the Hebrews [i.e., the Sibyl] who prophesies in the following manner: “What flesh can see with the eye the celestial, the true, the immortal God, who inhabits the vault of heaven?” Clement of Alexandria (c. 195), ECF Vol 2:192

Marcus Varro [an ancient Roman writer]…says that the Sibylline Books were not the production of one Sibyl only. Rather, they were called by one name, Sibylline, because all the prophetesses were called Sibyls by the ancients… So all these Sibyls proclaim one God….Now, in these verses that the ambassadors brought to Rome, there are these testimonies respecting the one God: “One God, who is alone, most mighty, uncreated.” This is the only supreme God, who made the heaven, and decked it with lights. “But there is only one God of pre-eminent power, who made the heaven, the sun, the stars, the moon, the fruitful earth, and the waves of the water of the sea.” …”Worship Him who is alone the ruler of the world, who alone was and is from age to age.” Also, another Sibyl, whoever she was, said that she conveyed the voice of God to men. On His behalf, she said: “I am the one only God, and there is no other God.” Lactantius (c. 304-313), ECF Vol 7:15, 16.

There is a Son of the Most High God, who is possessed of the greatest power. This is shown not only by the unanimous utterance of the prophets, but also by…the predictions of the Sibyls…The Erythraean Sibyl, in the beginning of her poem (which she began with “the Supreme God”), proclaims the Son of God as the leader and commander of all, in the following verses: “The Nourisher and Creator of all things, who placed the sweet breath in all, and made God the Leader of all.” And again, at the end of the same poem: “But whom God gave for faithful men to honor.” And another Sibyl declares that He should be known: “Know Him as your God, who is the Son of God.” Lactantius (c.304-313), ECF Vol 7:105.

The Sibyl had foretold in advance that the miracle would take place, whose verses are related to this effect: “With five loaves at the same time, and with two fishes, He will satisfy five thousand men in the wilderness.”…And again, another says, “He will walk on the waves. He will release men from disease. He will raise the dead and drive away many pains. And from the bread of one pouch, there will be a satisfying of men.” Being refuted by these testimonies, some are accustomed to fall back on the claim that these poems were not written by the Sibyls, but were invented and composed by our own writers, instead. However, he who has read Cicero, Varro, and other ancient writers will assuredly not think this. For they make mention of the Erythraean and the other Sibyls, from who books we bring forth these examples. And those authors died before the birth of Christ according to the flesh. However, I do not doubt that in former times these poems were regarded as ravings. For, at that time, no one understood them…. Therefore, they were neglected for many ages. But, they received attention after the birth and passion of Christ. Lactantius (c. 304-313), ECF Vol 7:116.

The Sibyl also showed that the same things would happen: “He will afterwards come into the hands of the unjust and the faithless. And they will inflict blows with impure hands on God.” Lactantius (c. 304-313), ECF Vol 7:120.

[James J. continues] While the early Christian writers regarded the pagan oracles with contempt and empowered by demons, they nevertheless spoke favorably of the Sibyls. For example, Lactantius, when speaking of the pagan oracles, said, “However, all these things are deceptions. For since demons have some foreknowledge of the arrangements of God (having been His ministers), they interpose themselves in these matters… so it will appear that they themseles are doing it” (ECF, Vol 7:66). So we have very strong evidence from the earliest Christian orthodox writers, that in contrast to the pagan oracles such the ones at Delpi and Apollo, the Sibyls were highly regarded among the brethren. Justin Martyr, one of the very oldest writers, even said they had some kind of powerful inspiration. Considering the early evidence, it seems to be overreaching to summarily dismiss it as fiction.

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Is Rome or Persia the 8th World Power?

The dispensationalists teach that the Antichrist will arise from a revived Roman Empire. They base this upon Dan 2 where there are four empires that last until the end of the world when Jesus comes and crushes all world powers (Dan 2:34-35), and they base it on Dan 7:23-24 where the Little Horn (the Antichrist) arises from among 10 kings that emerge from the latter end of the Roman Empire.

Revelation parallels the teaching of Daniel and the other prophets, but provides the structure and glue to tie together all the miscellaneous clues dropped by all the prophets. A major feature of Revelation is a multiheaded beast (Rev 13, 17) similar to the one in Dan 7:6 that was a symbol of Alexander the Great’s four headed Greecian Empire. Daniel’s prophecy shows us that the multiple heads are kings. However, unlike Daniel’s four heads that operated simultaneously, Rev 17 shows that the seven heads on John’s beast operated sequentially. He says the seven heads are seven kings. Five are fallen and one now is (Rev 17:10).

Another clue that ties in with Daniel is the seven headed beast as it appears in Rev 13. In that vision, the seven headed beast not only had seven heads, but it was a composite beast that had parts of three of the four beasts that Daniel described in Dan 7:4-6. The four beasts that Daniel described were “four kings that will arise out of the earth” (Dan 7:17). If we compare Dan 7 with Dan 2 and Dan 8, we learn from the inspired commentary that the four beasts of Dan 7 were Babylon (the lion), Medo-Persia (the bear), Greece (the leopard), and Rome (the terrible beast unlike the others). So, the seven headed beast of Rev 13 and 17 that has sequential heads is comprised of an amalgamation of world empires, four of which were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome was the sixth world empire, and Daniel only names three that lived before Rome, we are left to our own devices to guess at who the two earliest ones might be. The Old Babylonian, Sumerians, Hittites, and Egyptians are all possibilities, but I know of no definitive way to narrow these choices down.

However, John said that at the time he wrote Revelation, five of the heads/kings/empires had fallen, and one existed at that time, and one was yet to come. One of the preceeding empires had received a deadly wound, yet it would live (Rev 13:3). Now since the empires came one after the other, you could wonder that since all of the extinct empires received a death stroke, what’s the deal with this one head? It appears to be a device to illustrate that this particular world empire that had fallen from its number one position to a much lower ranking would one day come back to reclaim its position as position as world ruler. John says that this revived world empire is the eighth world empire, but it is one of the seven (Rev 17:11). So, John is clear about a previous world empire regaining its world dominance, but which one is it?

As we noted in the beginning of this article, the dispensationalists say that the revived world empire is the Roman Empire. They say that based on credible reasoning based on Dan 7:23-24 and Dan 2:34-35. Likewise, if you consider the figure of Dan 2, when Jesus comes He smashes the feet of the fourth world empire, that is, Rome. However, Rome is the 6th world empire in Rev 17. Another one, the seventh, follows Rome that “continue[s] a short space” (Rev 17:10). After “a short space” a revived empire follows the seventh empire that rules for only a little while. Since it is the ten kings from the end of the Roman Empire that attack Rome and support the early efforts of the Man of Sin/Beast/Antichrist, it is tempting to conclude that Rome is the empire that revives. However, the scriptures teach that it is the kings of the east that are the first that act to raise the world army that fights the battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:12-16). Rome is not “the kings of the east.”

Rev 13 gives a scenario to synthesize the answer to the conundrum posed by Rev 16:12-16. Rev 13 introduces two beasts, a land beast and a sea beast. Based upon Dan 7’s commentary about beasts, we could conclude that these two beasts are world empires. While that is true, the narrative in Rev 13 continues in such a way that we are forced to conclude that the Beast and the False Prophet are two persons (Rev 13:5-7, 14) that head two world empires, one characterized by the sea, and one characterized by the land. The sea beast is a continuation of the old succession of world empires, for it has seven heads and the body composed of Daniel’s world empires. The land beast had two horns like a lamb. There is a striking resemblance between the land beast’s appearance and the appearance of the first beast in Daniel’s vision in Dan 8:3. Daniel describes the first beast as “a ram [an adult male sheep] which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other [the Medes and the Persians], and the higher came up last [Persians]” (Dan 8:3). Daniel then interprets the vision of the ram as a vision representing the kingdom of the Medes and Persians (Dan 8:20). The lamb and ram are sheep and both have two horns. The land beast appears to be a renewed form (lamb) of the old Persian empire. It is the kingdom that was wounded unto death, but lives.

The identification of the beast that revives is supported by the ancient Gentile prophets, the Sibylline Oracles. In the Oracles, the Sibyl says,

Sib Orc Book V 39-

And one whose mark is fifty (“L” Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus Nero http://www.gracenotes.info/topics/romnames.html) shall be lord,
40 A dreadful serpent (Rev 13:1) breathing grievous war,
Who sometime stretching forth his hands shall make
An end of his own race and stir all things,
Acting the athlete, driving chariots,
Putting to death and daring countless things;
45 And he shall cleave the mountain of two seas [Nero started the canal from the Adrian Sea to the Mediterranean through the Peloponesus]
And sprinkle it with gore; but out of sight
Shall also vanish the destructive man;
Then, making himself equal unto God,
Shall he return; but God will prove him naught.

Sib Orc Book V 125-150

125 For there shall come a Persian on thy dale,
And like hail shall he all the land destroy,
And artful men, with blood and corpses. . . .
By sacred altars one of barbarous mind,
Strong, full of blood and raging senselessly,
130 With countless numbers rushing to destruction.
And then shalt thou, in cities very rich,
Be very weary. Falling on the earth
All Asia shall wail on account of gifts
Crowning her head with which she was by thee
135 Delighted. But, as he himself obtained
The Persian land by lot, he shall make war
And killing every man destroy all life,
So that there shall remain for wretched mortals
A third part. But with nimble leap shall he
140 Himself speed from the West, and all the land
Besiege and waste. But when he shall possess
The height of power and odious reverence,
He shall come, wishing to destroy the city
Even of the blessed. And a certain king [Jesus]
145 Sent forth from God against him shall destroy
All mighty kings and bravest men. And thus
Shall judgement by the Immortal come to men.
Alas, alas for thee, unhappy heart!
Why dost thou move me to declare these things,
150 The painful rule of Egypt over many?
Go to the East, to races of the Persians
Who lack in understanding, and show them

That which is now and that which is to be.

V 186-209

Hellas thrice wretched shall the poets weep,
When one from Italy [Nero] shall smite the neck
Of the isthmus, mighty king of mighty Rome,
A man made equal to God, whom, they say,
190 Zeus himself and the august Hera bore
He, courting by his voice all-musical
Applause for his sweet Songs, shall put to death
With his own wretched mother many men.
From Babylon shall flee the fearful lord
195 And shameless whom all mortals and best men
Abhor; for he slew many and laid hands
Upon the womb; against his wives he sinned
And of men stained with blood had he been formed.

[177. Rhea.–Comp. book iii, 165-182.

179. Centaur race.–Fabulous race in Thessaly, represented as half man and half horse.

181. Lapithæan land.–The mountainous parts of Thessaly, so called from a fabulous people, the Lapithæ, who are said to have once dwelt there.

185. The Greek text is here corrupt, and the words in parentheses are conjectural.

187. One from Italy.–Another picture of Nero (comp. lines 39-49) who is here represented as the author of the Roman war which resulted in the overthrow of Jerusalem and the temple.]

(130-146.)

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And he shall come to monarchs of the Medes
200 And Persians, first whom he loved and to whom
He brought renown, while with those wicked men
He lurked against a nation not desired [Israel]
And on the temple made by God he seized

As a lamb, the Persian kingdom appears harmless, but it spake with the power of his master, that old dragon (Rev 13:11), the Devil (Rev 12:9, 20:2). As you can plainly see from the Sibyls and as Paul hints in II Thes 2:6-9 when he speaks of the Man on Sin/Antichrist that arises at the end of the age, it is Nero that rises from the dead and returns to plague the earth once again. Likewise, some False Prophet (Muhammad?) rises from the dead to lead the revived Persians. The Beast and False Prophet are risen from the dead because both are taken alive, judged, and thrown alive into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20). However, the scriptures require that every man must die before the Judgment (Heb 9:27). Since the Beast and False Prophet are taken alive, judged, and thrown alive into the Lake of Fire, the only logical conclusion that satisfies all the constraints is that they died earlier and rose from the dead.

Since Nero is obviously a Roman king, and he rises from the dead among the 10 kings that exist in Europe at the end of the world, then you can see why he is the mouth of the beast from the sea. Europe is surrounded by the sea on three sides, and he is a Roman. Likewise, Persia is from the heart of the Asian land mass, and is thus the land beast. However, like the Sybils show, Nero is not for Rome, for he destroys his countrymen. He is for Persia, just like he was during his troubled reign. He goes to Perisa and with the supernatural help of the fallen angels (Rev 9:14) rouses the kings of the East to prosecute a war against the righteous. When some of the Roman kings dissent, Nero eliminates them, and plucks up three of them (Dan 7:8). So while Nero is from the West, his power base is the East. He is backed by the revived Persians, a revived False Prophet, the demons from the Abyss (Rev 9:1, Lk 8:31), and the freed angels that left their first estate (Jude 1:6, II Pet 2:4).

The synthesis is that Nero is the little horn that arises among the Roman kings. He at first uses their support, but turns to the East to the Persians to derive his real power. When the Roman kings resist his plans, he removes three of them. Thus, the Roman kings remain in place during the reign of the Beast, but they are subordinate to the people of the False Prophet, the Persians, the head that received the death stroke and lived.

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Is Rome or Persia the 8th World Power

The dispensationalists teach that the Antichrist will arise from a revived Roman Empire. They base this upon Dan 2 where there are four empires that last until the end of the world when Jesus comes and crushes all world powers (Dan 2:34-35), and they base it on Dan 7:23-24 where the Little Horn (the Antichrist) arises from among 10 kings that emerge from the latter end of the Roman Empire.

Revelation parallels the teaching of Daniel and the other prophets, but provides the structure and glue to tie together all the miscellaneous clues dropped by all the prophets. A major feature of Revelation is a multiheaded beast (Rev 13, 17) similar to the one in Dan 7:6 that was a symbol of Alexander the Great’s four headed Greecian Empire. Daniel’s prophecy shows us that the multiple heads are kings. However, unlike Daniel’s four heads that operated simultaneously, Rev 17 shows that the seven heads on John’s beast operated sequentially. He says the seven heads are seven kings. Five are fallen and one now is (Rev 17:10).

Another clue that ties in with Daniel is the seven headed beast as it appears in Rev 13. In that vision, the seven headed beast not only had seven heads, but it was a composite beast that had parts of three of the four beasts that Daniel described in Dan 7:4-6. The four beasts that Daniel described were “four kings that will arise out of the earth” (Dan 7:17). If we compare Dan 7 with Dan 2 and Dan 8, we learn from the inspired commentary that the four beasts of Dan 7 were Babylon (the lion), Medo-Persia (the bear), Greece (the leopard), and Rome (the terrible beast unlike the others). So, the seven headed beast of Rev 13 and 17 that has sequential heads is comprised of an amalgamation of world empires, four of which were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Since Rome was the sixth world empire, and Daniel only names three that lived before Rome, we are left to our own devices to guess at who the two earliest ones might be. The Old Babylonian, Sumerians, Hittites, and Egyptians are all possibilities, but I know of no definitive way to narrow these choices down.

However, John said that at the time he wrote Revelation, five of the heads/kings/empires had fallen, and one existed at that time, and one was yet to come. One of the preceeding empires had received a deadly wound, yet it would live (Rev 13:3). Now since the empires came one after the other, you could wonder that since all of the extinct empires received a death stroke, what’s the deal with this one head? It appears to be a device to illustrate that this particular world empire that had fallen from its number one position to a much lower ranking would one day come back to reclaim its position as position as world ruler. John says that this revived world empire is the eighth world empire, but it is one of the seven (Rev 17:11). So, John is clear about a previous world empire regaining its world dominance, but which one is it?

As we noted in the beginning of this article, the dispensationalists say that the revived world empire is the Roman Empire. They say that based on credible reasoning based on Dan 7:23-24 and Dan 2:34-35. Likewise, if you consider the figure of Dan 2, when Jesus comes He smashes the feet of the fourth world empire, that is, Rome. However, Rome is the 6th world empire in Rev 17. Another one, the seventh, follows Rome that “continue[s] a short space” (Rev 17:10). After “a short space” a revived empire follows the seventh empire that rules for only a little while. Since it is the ten kings from the end of the Roman Empire that attack Rome and support the early efforts of the Man of Sin/Beast/Antichrist, it is tempting to conclude that Rome is the empire that revives. However, the scriptures teach that it is the kings of the east that are the first that act to raise the world army that fights the battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:12-16). Rome is not “the kings of the east.”

Rev 13 gives a scenario to synthesize the answer to the conundrum posed by Rev 16:12-16. Rev 13 introduces two beasts, a land beast and a sea beast. Based upon Dan 7’s commentary about beasts, we could conclude that these two beasts are world empires. While that is true, the narrative in Rev 13 continues in such a way that we are forced to conclude that the Beast and the False Prophet are two persons (Rev 13:5-7, 14) that head two world empires, one characterized by the sea, and one characterized by the land. The sea beast is a continuation of the old succession of world empires, for it has seven heads and the body composed of Daniel’s world empires. The land beast had two horns like a lamb. There is a striking resemblance between the land beast’s appearance and the appearance of the first beast in Daniel’s vision in Dan 8:3. Daniel describes the first beast as “a ram [an adult male sheep] which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other [the Medes and the Persians], and the higher came up last [Persians]” (Dan 8:3). Daniel then interprets the vision of the ram as a vision representing the kingdom of the Medes and Persians (Dan 8:20). The lamb and ram are sheep and both have two horns. The land beast appears to be a renewed form (lamb) of the old Persian empire. It is the kingdom that was wounded unto death, but lives.

The identification of the beast that revives is supported by the ancient Gentile prophets, the Sibylline Oracles. In the Oracles, the Sibyl says,

Sib Orc Book V 39-

And one whose mark is fifty (“L” Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus Nero http://www.gracenotes.info/topics/romnames.html) shall be lord,
40 A dreadful serpent (Rev 13:1) breathing grievous war,
Who sometime stretching forth his hands shall make
An end of his own race and stir all things,
Acting the athlete, driving chariots,
Putting to death and daring countless things;
45 And he shall cleave the mountain of two seas [Nero started the canal from the Adrian Sea to the Mediterranean through the Peloponesus]
And sprinkle it with gore; but out of sight
Shall also vanish the destructive man;
Then, making himself equal unto God,
Shall he return; but God will prove him naught.

Sib Orc Book V 125-150

125 For there shall come a Persian on thy dale,
And like hail shall he all the land destroy,
And artful men, with blood and corpses. . . .
By sacred altars one of barbarous mind,
Strong, full of blood and raging senselessly,
130 With countless numbers rushing to destruction.
And then shalt thou, in cities very rich,
Be very weary. Falling on the earth
All Asia shall wail on account of gifts
Crowning her head with which she was by thee
135 Delighted. But, as he himself obtained
The Persian land by lot, he shall make war
And killing every man destroy all life,
So that there shall remain for wretched mortals
A third part. But with nimble leap shall he
140 Himself speed from the West, and all the land
Besiege and waste. But when he shall possess
The height of power and odious reverence,
He shall come, wishing to destroy the city
Even of the blessed. And a certain king [Jesus]
145 Sent forth from God against him shall destroy
All mighty kings and bravest men. And thus
Shall judgement by the Immortal come to men.
Alas, alas for thee, unhappy heart!
Why dost thou move me to declare these things,
150 The painful rule of Egypt over many?
Go to the East, to races of the Persians
Who lack in understanding, and show them

That which is now and that which is to be.

V 186-209

Hellas thrice wretched shall the poets weep,
When one from Italy [Nero] shall smite the neck
Of the isthmus, mighty king of mighty Rome,
A man made equal to God, whom, they say,
190 Zeus himself and the august Hera bore
He, courting by his voice all-musical
Applause for his sweet Songs, shall put to death
With his own wretched mother many men.
From Babylon shall flee the fearful lord
195 And shameless whom all mortals and best men
Abhor; for he slew many and laid hands
Upon the womb; against his wives he sinned
And of men stained with blood had he been formed.

[177. Rhea.–Comp. book iii, 165-182.

179. Centaur race.–Fabulous race in Thessaly, represented as half man and half horse.

181. Lapithæan land.–The mountainous parts of Thessaly, so called from a fabulous people, the Lapithæ, who are said to have once dwelt there.

185. The Greek text is here corrupt, and the words in parentheses are conjectural.

187. One from Italy.–Another picture of Nero (comp. lines 39-49) who is here represented as the author of the Roman war which resulted in the overthrow of Jerusalem and the temple.]

(130-146.)

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And he shall come to monarchs of the Medes
200 And Persians, first whom he loved and to whom
He brought renown, while with those wicked men
He lurked against a nation not desired [Israel]
And on the temple made by God he seized

As a lamb, the Persian kingdom appears harmless, but it spake with the power of his master, that old dragon (Rev 13:11), the Devil (Rev 12:9, 20:2). As you can plainly see from the Sibyls and as Paul hints in II Thes 2:6-9 when he speaks of the Man on Sin/Antichrist that arises at the end of the age, it is Nero that rises from the dead and returns to plague the earth once again. Likewise, some False Prophet (Muhammad?) rises from the dead to lead the revived Persians. The Beast and False Prophet are risen from the dead because both are taken alive, judged, and thrown alive into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20). However, the scriptures require that every man must die before the Judgment (Heb 9:27). Since the Beast and False Prophet are taken alive, judged, and thrown alive into the Lake of Fire, the only logical conclusion that satisfies all the constraints is that they died earlier and rose from the dead.

Since Nero is obviously a Roman king, and he rises from the dead among the 10 kings that exist in Europe at the end of the world, then you can see why he is the mouth of the beast from the sea. Europe is surrounded by the sea on three sides, and he is a Roman. Likewise, Persia is from the heart of the Asian land mass, and is thus the land beast. However, like the Sybils show, Nero is not for Rome, for he destroys his countrymen. He is for Persia, just like he was during his troubled reign. He goes to Perisa and with the supernatural help of the fallen angels (Rev 9:14) rouses the kings of the East to prosecute a war against the righteous. When some of the Roman kings dissent, Nero eliminates them, and plucks up three of them (Dan 7:8). So while Nero is from the West, his power base is the East. He is backed by the revived Persians, a revived False Prophet, the demons from the Abyss (Rev 9:1, Lk 8:31), and the freed angels that left their first estate (Jude 1:6, II Pet 2:4).

The synthesis is that Nero is the little horn that arises among the Roman kings. He at first uses their support, but turns to the East to the Persians to derive his real power. When the Roman kings resist his plans, he removes three of them. Thus, the Roman kings remain in place during the reign of the Beast, but they are subordinate to the people of the False Prophet, the Persians, the head that received the death stroke and lived.

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Answers to Some Questions About Creeds

Questioner: When I asked one of the men later what was the difference in what we did and the church giving the family money, the answer was it wasn’t the churches money since it never went into the churches bank account. But when I asked “but aren’t we the church? We’re the same people who a few minutes before we’re inside the building – he brushed me off.

James replies
I think this is a hard thing to figure out. To me, the answer all boils down to purpose. The local church corporate is an artificial entity, a legal person. The only way the church corporate acts is when the members purpose to act as the church or the members collectively authorize an agent or agents to act for it. Most commonly the corporate church acts through its officers. A deacon spends church money to buy paper or soap. Another deacon spends church money to buy class material. The elders decide to pay the preacher (or not). Sometimes the church purposes to act as a cooperative collection of individuals such as in singing, praying, studying God’s word, giving, or partaking of the Lord’s supper. The church acts in that manner because each individual acts in concert with the other brethren to accomplish a common purpose.

Whether the church acts as a cooperatatve collection of individuals or whether it acts through agents, in either case the church collectively has decided to act as the church. The reason “the church” may be said to do such and such is because the assembly has decided to do such and such as the church. “The church” could engage in a worship service, have a dismissal prayer, and adjourn en mass to the river bank to spend a leisurely afternoon fishing. You could say that church worshipped, but you could not say the church went fishing. Why? Because the church purposed to act as the church in worship. The members of the church did not purpose to act as the church to go fishing. A group of brethren decided to go fishing, but it was not the church fishing, even though the membership of the corporate church and the fishing party may have been the same. If the brethren announced at the services that the church would adjourn and resume service at the riverside with fishing poles, then the church went fishing. However, the church did not do it unless they purposed to do so as the church.

Questioner: For a long time I could not see a distinction – except for the fact we were not inside the ‘church’ building during a ‘formal’ service.

James: It is a matter of what the church purposes to do. The church only acts when it purposes to do so.

Questioner: I’m wondering if this is something individual saints can do and facilitate this work by doing so in a group but not facilitate the work by doing it as a ‘church’?

James: I have never understood the brethren’s complaint about some brother publishing and selling a religious magazine or running a religious school that charges tuition. The Rabbis taught Jewish children, and their parents paid him to run the school, because they knew he could not teach if he had no means to make a living, and they needed their children to get a good Jewish education. If a brother or group of brethren run a school and did not purpose to act as a church, then what is the problem? Is it sinful for two brothers to work together at an occupation that touches in some respect on religion? Don’t individuals have a responsibility to train their children? Is it sinful to send a child to a religious school in carrying out the father’s responsibility? Anyway, I can’t see a problem unless these two brethren form a church and claim their work is the work of the church. Then there could be a problem. Parents do not compete with the church when they teach their kids, and neither do schools compete with the church when they teach kids. The problem with schools is that they inevitably drift from their founder’s principles into more liberal, mainstream philosophy. My view is, as long as the activity is legitimate for individual Christians to engage in, then two or more Christians may work together to make a business out of it.

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