The Abyss, the Bottomless Pit, Tartarus, Hades, Torment, Hell, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire

The Abyss, the Bottomless Pit, Tartarus, Hades, Torment, Hell, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire

When one reads the Bible, he encounters the terms Abyss or Bottomless Pit, Tartarus, Hades, Hell, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire. Just exactly what are these? None of these is visible on the face of the earth. The Bible has quite a bit to say about these, and there is additional detail available in the non-canonical works. Some of these terms are synonyms (e.g. the Abyss is the Bottomless Pit), and all of them share the feature of having to do with punishment, but some of them are for time, and some are for eternity. The Bible describes the entities named in the title of this article as literal places, but many or most of them are not understood and are relegated to the status of presumed symbols. I thought it would be instructive to give a brief description of each of them and their relationships to each other.

The Abyss (tartaroo) is translated “bottomless pit” in the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible (Rev 9:1, 2, 11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1, 3), but is translated “the deep” in Luke 8:31 and Romans 10:7. It is a deep crevice in the earth (1 En 88:1-2) and is the place where the evil spirits go when they are cast out of their fleshly hosts to be tormented (Lk 8:31). It is the place where the angels that sinned were imprisoned (1 En 21:7-10). It is a place where God imprisoned “the angels that sinned” (2 Pet 2:4) that Enoch describes being shut up in “the valleys of the earth” (1 En 10:12). The KJV calls the place where the fallen angels were cast “hell” in 2 Pet 2:4, but the Greek word is “tartaroo”. The KJV’s translation of “tartaroo” as “hell” here in 2 Peter 2:4 is one of the three distinct Greek words (“tartaroo” 2 Pe 2:4, “gehenna” Mt 10:28, “Hades” Mt 11:23) the KJV translated as “hell”, and they are all three different places. “Tartaroo” is the deepest abyss of Hades (Strong, G5020), the place where the fallen angels are kept until the day of judgment (Ewing). It is the place into which the souls of the giants, the sons of the angels, are to be cast on the day of Judgment (1 En 56:1), where they will be joined with their fathers (the fallen angels — 1 En 89:24) and the 70 last shepherds of Israel (1 En 89:25). The Abyss, the bottomless pit, and Tartarus are all the same thing. The Abyss while visible from Hades (Lk 16:26, Enoch 21:1-10) is not the same as Hades, being only the deepest part of it. The Abyss is not Torment, Hell, Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire.

Hades is the unseen place of the dead. It is a cavernous place underground that Enoch describes as having four compartments (1 En 22:9-11). Two of Enoch’s compartments (torment and Abraham’s bosom) are mentioned in Luke 16:19-31. Enoch says the four compartments (1 En 22:4-7) house spirits depending on their status in relation to God:

1. There is a division for the spirits of the righteous. Like Luke 16:24 mentions, it has a bright spring of water. Some of the former inhabitants of this division participated in the first resurrection with Christ (Mt 27:52). The rest believed Jesus’ preaching when in Hades, and when Jesus ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9), He took these souls to heaven with him (Eph 4:8). This division is now empty, for when righteous men die now, their spirits go to heaven to await the Judgment (Php 1:23, 2 Cor 5:6, 8, Rev 6:9, 1 Th 4:14).
2. There is a division for the spirits whose bodies received burial, but they were transgressors and deserve punishment. These will participate in the bodily resurrection (Rev 20:13). All those who have been buried will be raised from the dead, according to what Jesus promised in John 5:28. Those in this division are in great torment until the Day of Judgment. This division corresponds to the place of torment where the Rich Man is (Lk 16:24).
3. There is a division for those that were slain in the days of the sinners. Genesis 6 describes a time when the earth was so corrupted that the thoughts of men’s hearts was evil continually (Gen 6:5). These were all slain by war and by the Flood (Gen 6:13), and this division seems reserved especially for them. This division may shed light on the strange statement in Revelation 20:13, “The sea gave up the dead which were in it.” If Enoch’s third division of Hades is a cavern under the sea, those rising from this division, would pass through the sea that was the cause of most of their deaths. It seems to be a sort of Davy Jones Locker.
4. There is a division of those who have sinned, but they are distinguished from the transgressors, who seem to be a more hardened version of sinners. I believe these are the ones Enoch describes in Enoch 50:2 who witness the victory of the holy and elect people over the evil and come to believe that Jesus is indeed Lord, and will repent (1 En 50:2). These are the ones of whom Luke speaks in Luke 12:48 that are ignorant of God’s will and who will be punished with few stripes, that is, for a time in Hades and not for eternity in Gehenna with many stripes.

Hades is a prison house for the dead (1 Pet 3:19, Acts 2:27) and a place of temporal punishment for those that deserve punishment (Lk 12:48, 16:24). The place of Hades is named after the spirit person, Hades. Hades is a spirit power (Eph 6:12), a person (Rev 6:8) who is over the fortress of Hades (Mt 16:18), the prison place (1 Pe 3:19, Ps 107:10, Micah 7:8-9) of the dead (Acts 2:31). He has substance and form (Rev 6:8) that can be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14). He is always linked with the spirit power Death (Rev 6:8, 20:14), an enemy of God (1 Cor 15:26, 55), and Hades will be punished eternally along with the Devil and his angels. Hades is not the same as The Abyss, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire, although there is a great chasm visible from Hades (Lk 16:36, Enoch 21:7-8) that probably is the Abyss.

Haidees (Hades) is one of the three Greek words (haidees, tartaroo, geenna) that the King James Version of the Bible translates as “hell”. However, each of the three words the KJV translates “hell” refer to different places. We have already looked at tartaroo (Tartarus), and Hades is the second of these three words that describe three distinct places. We now turn our attention to the third of these words translated “hell”, “geenna” or Gehenna.

Literally, Gehenna is the Valley of Hinnom, a literal valley on the south side of ancient Jerusalem. Today it is a pleasant valley, a tourist attraction, and a park. One place in the valley has a sign, “Welcome to Hell”, which while humorous, will not be so funny at the judgment. The reason it will not be funny is that Gehenna is the place of eternal punishment. As you can see from the photo, it doesn’t look like a place of punishment today, but Enoch says that there are fires burning beneath the land (En 67:6-7) that will come up to the surface at the end of the world (En 67:13). The earth will be shaken so violently (Heb 12:26, Ezk 38:20) at the end that the surface of the earth will be altered (Isa 24:19, 30:25, Ps 97:5, Zech 14:4, 10, Ezk 38:20, Nahum 1:5), and the emergence of Gehenna is one of the major changes of the earth that will be effected by His coming. Gehenna is the place of eternal punishment (Mk 9:43) where the wicked are cast (Lk 12:5, Rev 20:15) at the Judgment (Mt 25:41).

Gehenna will be visible from the City of God, New Jerusalem (Isa 66:23-24). The smoke from it will rise up forever, and it will be a formidable place. It will extend from south of Jerusalem at the present Valley of Hinnom (Ge-Hinnom, Gehenna) all the way down into Edom that is south of the Dead Sea (Isa 34:5-17, 66:24). The Lake of Fire will have an observation point from which the people can observe the damned (Isa 66:23), but most of the lake will be surrounded by a horrible mixture of briars, nettles, and every noxious plant (Isa 34:13). The land will be inhabited by every kind of noxious bird and beast (Isa 34:11, 14-15). No one will ever pass through there for it will be like the Island of Dr. Moreau times ten. In the New Earth Gehenna is on the surface of the earth at a location that extends from Jerusalem to the southern border of Edom. It will be an eternal feature of the New Earth. It is not the Abyss, the Bottomless Pit, Tartarus, Hades, or Torment, but it is Hell, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire.

Characteristics Gehenna Hell Lake of Fire
The whole body can be cast there Mt 5:20 Mt 5:20 Rev 19:20
It is a place where God can torment the body even after you have died once and there is nothing more than men can do to you. Mt 10:28 Mt 10:28 Rev 19:20, 20:10, 14:11
A body with two hands or two eyes or two feet can be cast into this place Mt 18:9; Mk 9:43, 45, 47 Mt 18:9, Mk 9:43, 45, 47 Rev 20:15
An evil person is a child of this place Mt 23:15 Mg 23:15 Rev 20:15
A generation of vipers and serpents could not possibly escape this place in the future Mt 23:33 Mt 23:33 Rev 20:15
It is a place that men should fear into which God can cast you after you are dead Lk 12:5 Lk 12:5 Rev 19:20
The tongue is set on fire in this place James 3:6 Rev 19:20, 20:15

Everything that can be said of Gehenna is also true of the Lake of Fire and Gehenna is therefore the same as the Lake of Fire. “Hell” is a word that is used to translate “Gehenna” and is therefore the same as Gehenna.

All of the places discussed are places of punishment. Hades/Torment/Hell1 is a temporary place of punishment and incarceration used to keep the spirits of the dead until the Judgment. The place where the righteous were kept was emptied at the resurrection of Christ (1 Pet 3:19, Lk 14:18), and I presume is now empty, for the righteous dead now go to be with God (Php 1:23, 2 Co 5:8-9). The Abyss/Bottomless Pit/Tartarus/Hell2 is a place that serves for both temporal (Luke 8:31, Rev 17:8) and eternal punishment (Enoch 90:24-26). Gehenna/Lake of Fire/Hell3 is a place to be revealed at the end of this present age and is a place of eternal punishment (Rev 20:10, 15, 14:11, Mt 25:41).

About James Johnson

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52 Responses to The Abyss, the Bottomless Pit, Tartarus, Hades, Torment, Hell, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire

  1. Melissa Walker says:

    Thank you so much for this! I am studying the Book of Revelation and was wondering why Hades and the sea give up their dead if this is already a place of eternal torment. It makes sense that the Lake of Fire is the place of eternal torment.

    • Meslissa, thanks for your comment. Hades is a temporary place to hold the spirits of the dead (Lk 16:23, Lk 12:48). It is located in the depths of the earth (Ps 71:20). It is a temporary place where sinners are punished until the Resurrection (Lk 12:48). Hades is also a person, a spirit power (Col 2:10, Rev 6:8). Obviously, it makes no sense to throw a place into the lake of fire, but it does if He is talking about persons. Death and Hades act as persons in Revelation 6:8. These two powers control death and the place of the dead (Hades, e.g. like Washington, both a place and a person). Hell/Gehenna/Lake of Fire is a literal lake that will come to the surface of the earth south of Jerusalem in the area around the southern end of the Dead Sea where Sodom and Gomorrah once were. It will be an eternal feature of the new earth where the suffering of the damned will be on exhibition as a warning to all through the eternal ages (Isa 66:23-24).

  2. Mike says:

    thank you for a great article. I have a couple of questions. In Rev. 20:10 Satan is cast into gehenna . Are demons then cast into the Abyss or with him into the lake of fire? Does Satan and his demons rule hell and torment souls like medieval paintings and belief held? Or is that Hades the spirit being job per se? I always thought tartarus was not synonymous with the Abyss. One last thing. Hades the place contains the Abyss and taratrus?

  3. Thanks for your comment, Mike.

    Gehenna hell (the Lake of Fire) is the place prepared for the Devil and his angels (Mt 25:41). He will be tormented there along with the people he led astray (Rev 20:15). My belief, based upon the sensory deprivation of weightlessness swirling around in the fire and the mist of darkness over the faces of the damned (2 Pe 2:7, Mt 8:12) that prevents recognition and causes their blindness, is that the damned in the lake lapse into a semi-conscious state. They basically go catatonic which would mostly relieve them of conscious suffering. All you hear from the lake of fire is a constant moaning of the sufferers who are not really consciously aware of what’s going on. The Abyss is a separate place reserved for the most egregious sinners. The angels that sinned, the twelve last shepherds of Israel, and the demons get cast into the Abyss. Revelation 9 describes bizarre, locust-like creatures that reside in the Abyss. My opinion on these creatures in Revelation 9:7-10 is they are God’s tormentors. Their job has been to torment the Devil (Rev 20:3), the demons (Lk 8:31), the Antichrist (Rev 17:8) and whoever else might be in the Abyss during the present age. After the Judgment, these convicted evil beings will be permanently sentenced to the Abyss, and the beings sentenced there for eternity will get to know those jailers described in Revelation 9 very well. My opinion, based upon the beings sent there (Lk 8:31), is that the Abyss is a worse punishment than Gehenna. In Gehenna the damned obtain oblivion. The ones in the Abyss get conscious torment forever. I think the Devil got a deal in not getting sent to the Abyss, because he is doing the will of God in tempting people to do evil (see Job 1-2). So, he gets to live it up in this little season (Rev 12:12, 20:3). However, he suffers eternal burning from which he will never emerge.

    As far as Hades, I do not know of any tormentors in Hades. Luke 16:24 describes Hades as a place where the spirits of the sinful dead are tormented in flames. It is probably more like the medieval paintings, but I don’t think there were torturers, at least Luke 16 doesn’t mention any. Enoch mentions some who were chained, so there are some jailers there.

    Hades and the Abyss appear to be different places. Hades is run by the spirit power named Hades and is a temporary place used during this present age to hold the spirits of the dead. I don’t know of torture there other than fire, but there could be. The Abyss has torture. Tartarus is the same as the Abyss.

  4. Mike says:

    Thank you for your response. Do you think Satan is in the Abyss now? And is he suffering now? Also, is Abaddon a demon or good angel? Once last question, how did the church lose this teaching? And how did the word hell come to be translated for these very distinct places? Thanks again for a great teaching and taking the time to reply.

    • Revelation 20 has a prophecy of Satan being thrown into the Lake of Fire, and it appears to be at the Judgment (Rev 20:10).

      My view of last things is somewhat different from the dispensationalist (Left Behind). I believe the Millennium of Revelation 20 was a 1000 year period from AD 345-1345. It was what are called the Middle Ages. Satan was released from the Abyss around 1345 (Rev 20:3). We are now almost at the end of Satan’s little season (Rev 20:3). Satan is far from suffering right now. He is reaching the zenith of his career where he and the Antichrist and the False Prophet will rule the world for 3.5 years (Rev 16:13, 13:4-5). Also, at the present hour, the 7th world empire is emerging (Rev 17:10). The Devil will be the power behind that, but around 2034 he removes the head of the 7th world empire and replaces him with the Antichrist. So, the Devil will be in his heyday for the next few years as he gets to show just how bad things can get when the Devil rules everything.

      As I mentioned in my last reply, I believe the creatures that come out of the Abyss in Revelation 9 are the jailers, not some evil spirits, because these creatures obey God’s voice, and they carry out His will (Rev 9:4-6). Abaddon is the king of the tormentors in the Abyss, just like the other realms God has established have their rulers (Ro 8:38, Eph 6:16). Abaddon has a sorry job, but someone has to do it, and I am sure he is uniquely equipped to torment God’s enemies for eternity.

      If you look at the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers (AD 35-335), they quote from the same works I use. In fact, there is some evidence that books like Enoch and Jubilees were in the Septuagint. However, after the Destruction of Jerusalem (DOJ), the Jews built an academy at Joppa (Joffa/Jamnia), and about AD 90 there was a series of rancorous conferences which by AD 125 resulted in the Jews expunging many of the lesser known works that were favorable to Christianity such as Enoch, Jubilees, 2 Esdras, etc. So, loss of the teaching began with the Jews who expunged some of their works. Then about the same time as the canon was established at the Council of Hippo (AD 393) and the Councils of Carthage (AD 397-419), you had Augustine and his buddy Origen who changed the way Christians viewed the scriptures. They promoted the spiritual view of the scriptures rather than the literal view that had been preferred from the beginning of the church up till that time. Augustine’s approach carried the day and has been the dominant view of Christianity regarding the scriptures ever since. Augustine’s approach can be used to effectively nullify the scripture teaching on almost anything by declaring it to be symbolic and then making up some meaning for it.

      I really don’t know why “hell” was so indiscriminately used. Possibly, by 1611 the translators had lost the original sense of the Greek since Enoch had already been expunged for so many years. In 1611 Enoch was really unknown in the West, and Enoch has the clarifying information in it about Hades. Probably “hell” came to refer to all of the punishments, because some of the church of that time thought you went to hell when you died. So, the place of the spirit and the place of punishment at the Judgment were conflated.

      Another reason the concepts were confused, and they did not make a clear distinction between Hades and Gehenna is because they had developed Purgatory and Limbo, which are sort of like my concept of Hades. They were temporary places of punishment. Thanks to Augustine and the Jews the whole deal of what happens after death got pretty confused.


      • Franklin says:

        Purgatory is obviously in the Book of Enoch. The term isn`t but what you describe a place of temporal punishment, that is Purgatory. The distinction that you make between Hades and Hell was stronger within Catholicism. Hades is Sheol in Hebrew. The abode of the dead. It indeed contains Tartarus but also the Bosom of Abraham and Purgatory.

        • Franklin, thanks for your comment. I can’t find any support for the idea of a place that you can be prayed out of or for a place where after a time of punishment, your sins are remitted by virtue of the penitent sufferer having paid the price. Neither of those concepts is Biblical, so far as I can find. What is Biblical, and what I outlined in the article is that the ignorant who become believers at the Second Coming can obtain mercy at the judgment. Luke 12:48 points to the fact that some in torment will only suffer for a time and not eternity. Enoch shows that the time of their torment is until the Second Coming where they are then provided with evidence to believe in Jesus. Those that do can obtain grace and forgiveness. Those that don’t go into Gehenna, the Lake of Fire, i.e. Hell.



          • Franklin says:

            Thank you for your kind reply.

            Prayer for the dead appears in 2 Maccabees. Since you mentioned the Septuagint I assumed you are familiar with it. Prayer for the dead was widespread in the early church. The notion of temporal punisment is the basis of Purgatory. It is true some souls are likely only freed from Purgatory at the second coming. I don`t think Enoch 22 refers only to the ignorant. Enoch 22 makes it clear that some souls in Sheol/Hades who will be freed at the second coming were less complete in their sins. The Book of Wisdom also has parallels with the Book of Enoch. It describes the purification of souls in Purgatory.

            You`re right about Jubilees, 2 Edras and Enoch having been in some early canons. They weren`t a definitive part of the Septuagint but they appeared in some versions. The Catholic Church used the more narrow canon and Jerome also translated the rest of the Old Testament from Hebrew. The Eastern churches mainly used the Septuagint and some still use 2 Esdras as well as 3 and 4 Maccabees. The Ethiopian Othodox and Catholics as well as the Ethiopian Jews still use Enoch and Jubilees.



        • I agree with the idea of temporal punishment. It is found in Luke 12:48 and Enoch 50:2. However, I can find no support for anyone being prayed out of Hades/Sheol. Enoch is clear that the underworld Hadean environment contains four different divisions. I agree that Enoch’s description includes the Bosom of Abraham and Dive’s Torment (Luke 16:23-24) plus two other divisions whose purpose is unclear to me.

          • Lillo says:

            Jesus was talking about the Rapture and bad shepherds who mislead others astray.
            Not anything to do with types of punishmentd for saints

          • Lilo, I need the passage to which you refer when you say, “Jesus was talking about the Rapture”. Your comment is not specific enough for me to respond to it.

          • Franklin says:

            I`d say that of the 4 divisions, the highest is obviously the Bosom of Abraham/Paradise while the lowest is Hell/Gehenna, but the two middle ones seem to be that the one where soul complain about the sinners who hurt them is the home of the good but not truly righteous while the part where sinners go who are punished till the day of judgement is Purgatory. Most early church fathers believed in prayer for the dead as most accepted the books of Maccabees.

          • Franklin, I thank you for your comment. The four division of Hades do not include Gehenna or Paradise. Paradise is in the City of God which is currently in heaven (the tree of life is in Paradise Rev 2:7, the tree of Life is by God’s throne Rev 22:1-2, the City of God is where God’s throne is – Rev 21:2, 22:2). I know about the thief on the cross and “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise”, but my view is that what Jesus told the thief is “today [now], you will be with me in Paradise” cp. 23:43. Hades is a temporary holding place where the dead are kept prior to the Judgment (Cp. Lk 12:48 “few stripes” is not eternal punishment, Enoch 50:2-3 the penitent ignorant dead get life but no honor). Revelation 20 shows Hades being emptied to allow the occupants to stand before the Judgment seat of God (Rev 20:11-15). Gehenna is the eternal place of punishment (Mk 9:44, Rev 14:9-11, see also comments regarding Gehenna in my article above), but not all inhabitants of Hades get sent to Gehenna. Many got taken from Hades when Jesus rose from the dead (Mt 27:52-53) and ascended with Christ to heaven (Eph 4:8) when Jesus returned there victorious over death “having spoiled principalities and powers” (Col 2:15) of the prisoners taken from the stronghold of the principalities Death and Hades (Mt 12:29) in the underworld. Those that rose with Christ and those spirits of the dead that were taken as spoil by Christ are in heaven and are in no danger of going to Gehenna (Hell).

            Another group that will be in Hades that does not go to Gehenna (Hell) is mentioned in Enoch 50:3-4. Those in Enoch 50:3-4 are those that never heard about Jesus in their lifetimes, like people who died in the Flood, but they did things worthy of punishment (Lk 12:48) like gossip (Jas 3:6) or slander (Mt 5:22) or lies (Rev 21:8). Enoch says these ignorant ones that did not know Jesus will witness the saints of God being victorious over evil, and some of these ignorant ones who see will repent. These will be saved, but they will get no honor (Enoch 50:3), that is, they won’t get crowns (2 Ti 4:8).

            My analysis of the four divisions of Hades is like this:

            [The Four Divisions of Hades according to Enoch]

            Div 1. And such a division has been made (for) the spirits of the righteous, in which there is the bright spring of 10 water.

            [Lazarus was in Div 1, for he had water – Lk 16:24]

            Div 2. And such has been made for sinners when they die and are buried in the earth and judgment has not been executed on them in their 11 lifetime. Here their spirits shall be set apart in this great pain till the great Day of Judgment AND punishment AND torment of those who curse for ever AND retribution for their spirits. There [at the Judgment Seat] 12 He shall bind them for ever.

            [The Rich Man (Dives) was in Div 2, for he was tormented in the flame – Lk 16:24]

            Div 3. And such a division has been made for the spirits of those who make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction, when they were slain in the days 13 of the sinners

            [Probably these were murdered in the Ante-Diluvian violence (“for the earth is filled with violence” Gen 6:13) or drowned in God’s judgment of the Flood (Gen 7:22-23). The giants murdered large numbers of people before the Flood for food (Enoch 7:5). It could also be those who died in the Flood are like in Davy Jones’ Locker in Div 3. Cp. Rev 20:13. Unlike those in Div 2, judgment was executed on these in Div 3 during their lifetime, like God’s judgment on men by the Flood.].

            Div 4. Such [a division] has been made for the spirits of men who were not righteous but sinners, who were [complete in transgression – godless, Gk version], and of the transgressors they shall be companions: but their spirits shall not be slain in the Day of Judgment nor shall they be raised from thence.

            [These in Div 4 were not raised from Hades when Jesus took the souls of the righteous with Him (Eph 4:8). The text does not require them to be in Hades forever, but to be passed over in being raised from Hades at some point. That happened in Eph 4:8. Another possibility is that these in Div 4 are judged as spirits without bodies, because these in Div 4 were not buried in graves as required, if one is to be guaranteed of the resurrection (Jn 5:28). Note that Jesus judges both the living AND the dead (Acts 10:42, 2 Tim 4:1, 1 Pe 4:5). If all rise from the dead, there will be none standing before Him that is still dead, but He is to judge both the living AND the dead, and every man has to die once (Heb 9:27), so even those living at the end will die briefly. Who, then, is still dead in Acts 10:42 if everyone rises from the dead, unless it is these in Div 4?]

            Four Divisions of Hades in Enoch

          • Franklin says:

            Thank you for your responnse. With Paradise I referred to the Bosom of Abraham or what used to be the Limbo of the Patriarchs. Gehenna in this context refers to the lowest part of Sheol/Hades not the Lake of Fire from Revelations. You are right that many souls got taken from Hades. Both those in the Limbo of the Patriarchs and those in Purgatory, those who will remain there being puished till the day of judgement to then die the second death, they are in deepest part of Sheol/Hades that is also called Gehenna/Hell. I am still surprised that you don`t reference any of the Deuterocanonical books on this issue. The concept of a Davy Jones Locker room seems very foreign to Enoch. It seems to be just a place that is less than the Bosom of Abraham but with no suffering.

          • Thanks, Franklin for your comments. If you know of some reference in the Deuterocanonical books regarding Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Hell that you think are helpful, please post them in a response. I make no claim to having all knowledge on this subject.
            Davy Jones Locker is completely foreign to Enoch. I don’t know of any source I would consider reputable that describes it. The only support that suggests it to me that I have found is in Revelation 20:13 where John says, “The sea gave up the dead which were in it”. The dead in the sea are cited as residing in a place separate from death and Hades.

    • Leica says:

      Satan is not in the abyss now. The book of revelation reveals that during Armageddon Jesus will throw satan into the abyss. Revelation chapter 12 describes the world today. Jesus has taken his rightful place on the thrown in heaven. His first act was to battle with satan and the demons and permenantly throw them out of heaven. Where did satan and the demons go? We’ll the chapter also shows that they were thrown down to the earth. It goes on to say that the heavens are rejoicing (and rightly so as they are once again clean) but woah for the earth because satan has come down to the earth having much fury as he knows he only has a short time. Currently satan is on earth corrupting whoever he can. Have you noticed that the moral stance of the earth has been getting worse? The end is near.

      • Leica, thank you for your post.

        Satan was indeed barred from heaven after Jesus resurrection, for the blood of Christ had forever paid the debt for sin and there was no longer justification for satans to enter heaven bringing
        accusations against God’s elect. Jesus’ blood had effectually and permanently provided a remedy for sin, and the Devil was therefore cast out.

        Satan was indeed angry when he was cast out, and he fiercely persecuted Christians for the first three centuries after Christ. About 345 Satan was seized and bound and cast into the Abyss where he stayed for a thousand years. Upon his release he went forth to deceive the nations with the aim of gathering them to fight against God (Rev 20:7-8).

        The Battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:16) takes place during the last week of the present age. During the last seven years of the earth there are a series of plagues from God. The sixth one is the Devil gathering forces of men from over the earth to attack the last remnant of God’s people that hold out against the Beast/Antichrist. These faithful are in the land of Israel, and they are protected by God’s two witnesses (Rev 11:5) until the last week of the age. The Devil gathers the forces of men that he manages at great expense (Rev 9:18) to collect from the earth, and he assembles them at a place in the north of Israel, Har Megiddo (Armageddon, Rev 16:14, 16). From there the Devil, the Beast and False Prophet proceed south with the greatest army that will ever be assembled (Joel 2:1-3) to sack Jerusalem (Joel 2:1-3, Zech 14:1-2). They will capture Jerusalem (Zech 14:1-2), and the Beast/Antichrist will set himself up in the Third Temple as if he was God (2Th 2:4). After an orgy in Jerusalem (Rev 11:10, Zech 14:2), a large portion of the Devil’s army moves on to take Bosra/Petra where the remaining forces of God are making their last stand (Micah 2:12, Jer 49:22). At the darkest hour when their complete annihilation seems certain Jesus arrives with a shout, the voice of the archangel, the trump of God (1 Th 4:16), and the armies of heaven (Rev 19:14) will descend (Jer 49:22) to finish the destruction of Satan and evil on the earth (Rev 19:20-21, 20:9-10).

        By the way, demons are not the angels of the Devil. Enoch 15:9-10 says the demons are spirits of the children of the fallen angels that the angels begat of the daughters of men (Gen 6:2, 4). The giants were mortal, and when the Flood came, they all died. Their spirits were cursed to become evil spirits. The Devil’s angels are different beings.

        I agree that Satan is not in the Abyss now. He was released in 1345 after his 1000 years of imprisonment (Rev 20:7). I certainly have noticed that the moral stance of the earth has been getting worse and the Devil is corrupting whoever he can. When Jesus comes, He takes the Devil and casts him into Gehenna, the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:10). The Beast/Antichrist and the False Prophet are also captured and thrown alive into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20).

        The end is indeed near. When Jesus rose from the dead, there were only 2 of the 6 thousand-year days remaining. His ascension into heaven (Eph 4:8) ushered in the Holy Spirit age that will last the 2000 years from Jesus’ ascension to the Second Coming.

        We are now about 25 years from the end of the world. The American Empire is collapsing. Even its land will be partially collapsed under the sea (Lk 21:25-26) to form the islands of the sea (Isa 11:11). America will be replaced by the 7th king/kingdom (New World Order, NWO) John mentions in Revelation 17:10 that will be ruled by Rome (Rev 17:18). The NWO rule will continue until about 2034 when Rome will be conquered by the Antichrist accompanied by 10 European kings (Rev 17:12, 16). The Antichrist will rule the last 3.5 years and Jesus will come around 2037-2038.

        God will carry out His plan. Only a few will live from now to the end of the age. When Jesus comes, all flesh will die, and the earth will be left in primordial silence for seven days. After that, Christ will return with His bride (Rev 21:2), and He will give them their crowns on Mt. Zion, and He will then with them (1Co 6:2) hold the Judgment (Heb 9:27, Jn 5:22).

        • Natasha Thomas says:

          How did you come to the conclusion in regards to Isaiah 11:11?

          • Isaiah 11:10-12 (ASV) reads: ¶And it shall come to pass in that day, that the root of Jesse [Jesus], that standeth for an ensign [a visible symbol of His presence, probably the pillar of the cloud, cp. Ex 13:21-22, Isa 4:5-6] of the peoples [the nations], unto him shall the nations seek [the harvest at the end]; and his resting-place shall be glorious [probably the Land of Israel, cp Joel 2:3 “the garden of Eden”].
            11 And it shall come to pass in that day [there is a single day when deliverance happens, like with Moses and the Red Sea], that the Lord will set his hand again the second time [the Exodus was the first recovery, but this future event will be the second, the antitype] to recover the remnant of his people, that shall remain, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea [they gather to the ensign in the wilderness like Israel and the mixed multitude (Ex 12:38) from Egypt gathered at Migdol and Pi-Haharoth by the Red Sea].
            12 And he will set up an ensign [a visible, physical symbol of His presence, e.g. the pillar of cloud over a physical city of refuge in America] for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel [the northern tribes were called “Israel” after Solomon’s Israel divided during His son’s reign], and gather together the dispersed of Judah [Judah is named as being distinct from Israel] from the four corners of the earth.
            13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart [Ephraim was another name for the northern 10 tribes], and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah [the lost tribes are reconciled with Judah, the Jews], and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

            The Lost 10 tribes of Israel have to return to the Land [Isa 11:12, Ezk 36:10]. They must be reunited with Judah before they return [Ezk 37:19, Ps 68:22, they come back together from the north]. None of Israel will be left in the goat nations (Amos 9:9). Most Christians that survive, I think, will eventually flee to the sheep nations as well. America, a sheep nation, has a destiny of being a city of refuge, a city on a hill. Many will flee to America to escape famine and bitter persecution. Joseph is already here in America and has laid up food for the rest of the world (Manasseh comprises about 20% of the population in America). Psalms 68:22 promises a second Exodus. The gathering must be outside of Israel, for those that return come back as a group, and they come from the north.

            Today, North and South America are one gigantic island in the middle of the sea. To the north in Canada is a giant archipelago of islands already (e.g. Baffin Island, Greenland, Labrador, etc). Luke 21:25 speaks of the waves of the sea roaring so much that men’s hearts fail them for what is coming upon the earth. There are many articles and prophecies speaking of the physical break-up of North America. The Navy has warned its people that a gulf will open along the Mississippi River Valley all the way to Hudson Bay, thus making the East Coast a giant island. Others warn of a giant earthquake in the Pacific Northwest, an asteroid in the Atlantic, and one also off the coast of Puerto Rico. Edgar Cayce warned of the East Coast sinking beneath the sea and new land emerging from the sea further to the east. California is supposed to break off from the mainland along the San Andreas fault and slip into the Pacific. Cumbre Vieja on La Palma in the Canary Islands could erupt causing much of the East Coast of the US to be covered in water. Nibiru is supposed to arrive perhaps as early as 2017 bringing a pole tilt that causes crustal deformation and ice cap melting that would raise sea levels. The centrifugal bulge of water in the oceans from the earth’s equatorial rotation would have to relocate elsewhere in the event of a pole shift. That relocation of the equatorial bulge of ocean water would also cause flooding. All of these things together would cause much of North America to become covered in water resulting in America becoming the Islands of the Sea. God said He would gather His people from the Isles of the Sea. Psalms 68:22 says God will bring His people from the depths of the sea back to Bashan and from there into the Land. The allegory of Joseph in Egypt says America (Manasseh) will provide food for starving people from all over the world, and in America the Lost Tribes will be made known to Judah, like Joseph was to his brothers, and they will be reunited. God’s people (united Israel and Judah who are then believers along with a vast mixed multitude of Christian believers of all nationalities) return to the depopulated land (Isa 17:6, 7:23-25, Ezk 47:22 they could not divide a populated land by lot, so it must be empty) to rebuild it and build the third temple.

  5. Leica says:

    I only read the first few lines and stopped reading as the author is mistaken in this. Gehenna is in fact a physical place that can be seen. Gehenna was a pit outside of Jerusalem where a fire was kept burning for people to throw their rubbish in so the land stayed clean. This is still a common practice in parts of the world today. On occasion, dead bodies were also thrown in Gehenna if the people considered the deceased ‘not worthy’ of a burial. Obviously the body cannot stay there and must be removed somehow, as a result it was burned with the cities trash.

    • Leica, Gehenna is indeed a literal place. You can go today to the Gehenna, which is the Valley of Hinnom south of the Old City in Jerusalem. It looks like a park, but it will not always be that way. Enoch says under the land of Israel there currently are streams of fire. The surface water is now cool, but “those waters will change and become a fire which burns for ever” (Enoch 67:13).

      Jesus says that Gehenna is a place where the whole body and spirit can be cast alive (Mt 10:28, Rev 19:20). The casting into Gehenna happens after the body is killed and raised from the dead (Lk 12:5). These verses and others of the same kind (Mt 5:22, 29-30, 10:28, 18:9, Mk 9:43, 45, 47, Jas 3:6) specifically refer to Gehenna and they speak of it as a place where the body is cast alive. However, sending people to Gehenna the way it is now would be to send them to a park in Jerusalem, not to a place where the body is set on fire in Gehenna (Jas 3:6) in a fire that will never be quenched (Mk 9:45), but Jesus says this fire is in Gehenna. Therefore, after the Second Coming and the Resurrection, the Bible implies that there will be a change in the Valley of Hinnom and it will indeed become a place of eternal fire “where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched” (Mk 9:43-44) where:

      Isaiah 66:23  …it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
      24  And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

      It is a mistake to take plain statements of God and make them into something else, just because we cannot see how they could possibly be literally true. That is the case with Ge-Hinnom. We should not make the mistake of making the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) into an allegory when Jesus says that is where the wicked will be cast in both body and soul. Let God be true and every man a liar (Rom 3:4).


  6. Heather says:

    Praise the LORD my brother ! Thank you so much for this article ! It is great food for thought and I had studied much of what you write here, but you have articulated it in such a way that all things are put in sequence and well able to be understood …. I have a few people I meet with who are a tad confused on this subject, so I will use this material when I meet with them to help give them clarity and understanding. Bless you so much !

  7. Yvonne says:

    With all these end time signs at this time (we are now in 2015) do you really think this world will last untill 2037??? I don’t think so, that must be a miscalulation of yours.

    • DayStar says:

      Yes, I believe Barnabas is correct. The problem is how to calculate the 6000 years. I base my calculations on a theoretical basis of three dispensations of 2000 years each. From the creation to Abraham was 2000 years. From Abraham to Jesus was 2000 years. From Jesus to the Second Coming is 2000 years. Jesus died in probably AD 34 and the church began on Pentecost 50 days later in the same year. If we go 2000 years forward from there, we get 2034 as a probable end of the 6000 years.

    • DayStar says:

      Yvonne, as mentioned in a previous post, Barnabas said the earth would last 6000 years. Barnabas was a prophet and companion of Paul on his first missionary journey. Barnabas wrote an epistle in AD 75 in which said the earth would last 6000 years. In my previous comments I showed where I believed the last dispensation of 2000 years began in AD 34 and would then end in 2034. That date is off by 3.5 years from the date from the prophecy of the phoenixes in the Sibylline Oracles. If we calculate the end of Christ’s dispensation to be the conversion of the household of Cornelius and the opening of the kingdom the Gentiles and the end of the 70th week, the dates correspond exactly.


    It is utter foolishness to predict the second coming of the Lord. His WORD says no man knows when that time is – only the Father.

    • DayStar says:

      John, what the text actually says is this,

      Matthew 24:35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
      36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

      In no place in my writing will you find me predicting a day and hour. You will find me predicting a season, for Jesus Himself says when you see the fig tree emerging from a long period of dormancy, i.e. when the nation of Israel (Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:7) buds or comes back to life again after a long season of dormancy, then “look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh” (Luke 21:28).

    • What the text actually says is, But of that day and that hour knoweth no man (Mk 13:32). I have never predicted the day nor the hour, but Jesus says,
      Luke 21:29b  ¶And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
      30  When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
      31  So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

      Israel is God’s fig tree (Joel 1:12, Hosea 9:10). It was dormant for 1800 years during the Diaspora. In 1948 it put forth leaves and is growing again. Jesus said when you see the fig tree bud, “Know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand”. Jesus said you could know the time, if not the day and the hour.

      God bless.

    • Lillo says:

      It’s terribly sad how Christians refuse to read the Bible with the leading of the Holy Spirit and consult those annointed on the subject.Not every Shepherd is gifted.Some of God’s secrets are revealed to only a few.

      There is a day of Rapture which happens in the twinkling of an eye and catches people Christian alike in a big surprise Luke 12:35-48

      This involves the taking away of Israelite believers and majority gentile church who keep watch for his second coming. They are the Bride of Christ.The Parable of 10 Virgins illustrates this very well.To understand it better,study how a Jewish wedding happens.Therein is the secret of Rapture.

      After Rapture the world is under AntiChrist ruling from Jerusalem.God ensures his people must be safe.Both the raptured and those who will survive in Israel during tribulation Rev 12:14. Those Christians who’ll miss rapture will suffer in tribulation when the devil overcomes them. Rev 12:

      And then there is the Day of the LORD where Christ appears with his holy ones to destroy the Antichrist and rescue Israel especially those who were sealed at the start of the tribulation.Rev7:3.

      On the Day of the LORD Malachi 4: 3 Jesus is visible to everyone who sees him unlike Rapture which is a secret event and only visible to those waiting for him in holiness and repentance.
      The two are different Days.

      And by the way Biblical events after Rapture will shift to Israel and Middle East.That is ever the titanic battle will be fought with God’s people hidden from it all whether Isatekite or Gentile.

      The Woman in Rev 12 with the 12 Stars on her head is Israel nothing to fo with Europe please.

      The whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation is focussed on God’s Holy Land and taking it back from the devil.We others are just beneficiaries of this fall.We are the the offspring of Israel through Christ because Jesus is a sceptre in Israel.

    • John, the passage (Matthew 24:35-36) to which you refer actually says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
      36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
      I notice in verse 36 that Jesus says what we cannot know is “that day and hour”. However the Bible gives us signs so we can know the season of His coming.

      Jesus also said that though we cannot know the day and hour, we can know the season. He said, “When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh (Lk 21:28).

      The things to which Jesus referred that were signs of His coming were:
      Luke 21:25  And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      26  Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

      So when you see tsunamis on the coasts, and the stars falling from the sky, know that the season of His coming is near (Lk 21:27).

      Jesus also told His disciples they could know the season of His coming by observing the fig tree. The fig tree is a symbol of Israel (Joel 1:7, Hosea 9:10). Israel “budded” in 1948 when it became a nation after more than 1800 years of dormancy. Jesus said when you see the fig tree bud, “Know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors. 34  Verily I say unto you, This generation [of the time of the fig tree budding] shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished (Mt 24:33b-34).”

      We can’t know the day and hour, but we can know the season.

  9. Barb Rader says:

    Yeh!we should keep an eye on that particular fig tree as Jesus stated,a tree that is dormant is a tree that is dead for a time,I have seen trees that were dead for years come back with sprouts at the roots,so there must be fig tree that has been dead for several years I assume and still stands and has not been eat in by termites.

  10. Eric Agyei Frimpong says:

    Please, I am most grateful of your explainations may God continue enlighten your insights so as to give as more of your knowledge about the Bible. Pls. My question is; Who are the twelve last shepherds of Israel pls?

    • In my opinion the 12 last shepherds of Israel are:
      David Ben-Gurion (1886-1973) 1948-1953, 1955-1963 1st
      Moshe Sharett (1894-1965) 1954-1955 2nd
      Levi Eshkol (1895-1969) 1963-1969 3rd
      Golda Meir (1898-1978) 1969-1974 4th
      Yitzak Rabin (1922-1995) 1974-1977, 1992-1995 5th
      Menachem Begin (1913-1992) 1977-1983 6th
      Yitzhak Shamir (1915- 2012) 1983-1984, 1986-1992 7th
      Shimon Peres (1923 – 2016) 1995-1996 8th
      Benjamin Netanyahu (1949 – ) 1996-1999 9th
      Ehud Barak (1942- ) 1999-2001 10th
      Ariel Sharon (1928 – 2014) 2001-2006 11th
      Ehud Olmert (1945 – ) 2006-2009 12th
      Benjamin Netanyahu (1949 – ) 2009-Present (2nd term) 9th

      The governance of Israel changes after Netanyahu. My understanding of Isaiah 10:24-34, Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 31 and Psalms 83 is that they tell of a horrible war in Netanyahu’s time that almost annihilates Israel. God intervenes and saves a small fragment of Israel (Rom 11:26, Isa 17:6). The number of survivors in Israel will be like, “Two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches” Isa 17:6. After this battle, Israel is largely uninhabited for several years (Isa 3:6-8, 7:23-25). Then there will be no Knesset. The governance will revert back to the way it was in the days of the judges when every man did what was right in his own eyes (Jud 17:6) without the need for a prime minister to tell them what to do. Later, when the second in-gathering (Isa 11:11) occurs and repopulates the Land (Hosea 1:10), they will select a captain to lead them (Hosea 1:11). During the time they have a captain on the earth, Israel will finally accept their Messiah and return to faithful service where they will seek the Lord their God and David their king (Jer 30:9, Hos 3:5).


  11. published says:

    My sister has recently involved herself in bible study of a man named Fred coulter, who has published a bible called “the holy bible in its original order” and she claims that from his teachings we are to honor ALL of the festivals mentioned in the old testament, is this true?

    • DayStar says:

      Christians are not obligated to keep any of the Old Testament, feasts or otherwise. The Law was only given to Israel (Dt 4:8, 5:3), and even Israelites are set free from the Law when they become Christians. Paul says,

      Romans 7:3  So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
      4  Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

      • driley says:

        ATTN: DayStar

        With respect to being presumably “free from the Law,” then the whole idea of Jesus having come to FULFILL the Law had everything to do with the required sacrifice to the Father and little to nothing to do with us? So, “obeying” the “Law” is not necessary? However, Paul asked rhetorically if sin should abound, to which he responded, “God forbid!” So, although obeying the Law is not required it is expedient to do so (a good idea to still follow the general tenets of same)? I’m confused!

        • You don’t have to presume that Christians are free from the Law of Moses.
          Romans 7:4  So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.
          There is law for Christians, but it is the Law of Christ (Gal 6:2). It is a law of liberty (Jas 1:25, 2:12). It contains most of the tenets of the old law incorporated into the Law of Christ (e.g. Rom 13:9, Gal 5:19-21). Our situation is not confusing. If you are a Christian, you are not under any of the old law (Rom 7:4). If you are a Christian, you are in the Kingdom of Christ (Col 1:13) who has all authority in heaven and on earth (Mt 28:18) since He is King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev 17:14). Since it is His kingdom and He is king, He makes the law. His law is revealed in the NT (Eph 3:4, 2 Tim 2:2).

      • Lillo says:

        One cannot understand Christianity unless they understand the purpose of the OT services and traditions and celebrations and commanded way of Life.

        God is the same yesterday today and Forever.
        That’s why Christ didn’t abolish the law.

        He is that Law now. Hence raising a higher standard. The old order had to do with doing but now it has to do with Faith

        And we shall return to it as written Zechariah 14:16

        • Lillo, I agree the Law is not abolished for the Hebrews that are not Christians, and I agree Israel will return to “serve the Lord their God (the Law) and David their king (Jesus)” (Jer 30:9, Hosea 3:5) at the end of the age. However, when a person becomes a Christian, they are freed from the Law (Rom 7:4), if they ever were under it (Dt 4:7-8, 5:3). The early Christians who lived in the Land kept both the Law and Christianity (Acts 21:20), for they are compatible. The Jews living in the Land kept the Law, for it was their national constitution and governed the nation when the nation existed in the Land. Paul did not keep it when he was away from the Land and living with the Gentiles (1 Co 9:20-21).

    • Christians are not under the Law of Moses. The Jews and Hebrews are under the Law of Moses (Mt 5:18), but when a person, either Jew or Gentile, becomes a Christian, he is freed from the Law (Rom 7:3-4). The Law established the festivals (Leviticus 23), and they are shadows and types of things to come (Col 2:17; He 8:5, 9:9, 24), but they are not binding on Christians.

      • Matthew Kruge says:

        I often see these terms mixed up and want to clear some things, the law is gone but the Law written in stone is not. The law was given so thst if man followed it perfectly he would gain immortality. But man couldn’t do it so Jesus stepped in. Now that he Law is fulfilled he asks us to still follow the Ten commands but follow 5em by faith. For they still determine righteousness. No one can know righteousness without kk owing Gods laws and ten characteristics about Him. As a Christian you are under Christ’s law, which is faith, but he still commands God be honored. Jesus said “follow me”. Did he not? So then if his path led to him perfectly follow the commands we are to do the same. Follow his path for it is narrow. But his ways are simple and knowable, I equate it to this, if you join a club, they give your rules and procedures, you cannot enter heaven without knowing the prerequisites. We are freed from mortal laws, for any law a mortal makes thin lawmakers, their laws are by nature false an biased becuase humans are imperfect by nature so will their creations be. As God is perfect and we are called to follow Him he calls us to follow His laws and not the imperfect laws which bind and destroy.
        Modern day sports is satanism as if you self dub yourself a “fan”=fanatic= to be obsessed= is that not worship? Jesus left us with two commands explicitly, know the Lord your Fod with your heart soul mind and strength = be OBSESSED with God and learn everything g you can from Him, from His word, the Logos, and do unto others. If you follow Gods way you follow the path of righteousness, if you follow God you will then begin to exhibit His nature and in turn Do unto others. That which is written in stone cannot be erased.

  12. Susan C. Wheeler says:

    What do you make of sept 23 constellations following in line with Rev 12 during the feast of the trumpets. It is said this happened only one other time and that was at Christs birth?
    I thank you ahead for your input

    • The last time it happened was at the first coming of Christ at the beginning of His life here on earth. The next time it happens (now) appears to be at the beginning of the Harvest at the end of this present age where so many will be made into His image.


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  15. Gerald Rowell says:

    Thanks for all the above comments. I find them very interesting. I’ve been studying the different forms or places of punishment that has been prepared for the unsaved. My understanding is that Hades (described in Luke 16, which may or may not include the Abyss or Bottomless Pit) now contains all the unsaved from the very beginning of time to the present time, which would number in the trillions. This hugh number of souls, will be combined with another hugh of souls at the Great White Throne Judgement when death and Hades will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Rev 20:14.
    My conclusion is there is not enough area anywhere on this earth to accommodate this event, which negates the possibility of the Hinnon valley south of Jerusalem being the site of the Gehenna Lake of Fire. Thus, the location of the Lake of Fire is: Only God knows where. Thanks and God Bless.

    • Thanks for the good comment, Gerald, and you raise several interesting questions. Where is the Abyss/Bottomless Pit? Where is Gehenna to be? How many people have ever lived?

      The Book of Enoch describes the Judgment in Chapter 90. It says there will be two pits with fire (Enoch 90:25-26, “a like abyss” v.26b). One abyss is reserved for the angels that sinned (2 Pe 2:4) and the other is reserved for the Devil and his angels and those humans that followed him (Enoch 90:26, cp Mt 25:41). The first abyss is for the fallen angels that came with Azazel and Semjaza in the days of Enoch (Enoch 90:21-26). The second abyss is for the sheep of God’s pasture that disobeyed His commandments and followed the Devil (Enoch 90:26).

      I agree that Hades still contains all the unsaved from the beginning of time. The issue of how many are there is based on several guesses. The logistics function can be used to calculate populations after some elapsed time, but you have to guess how long people have been on the planet and the starting population, and you have to guess the birth and death rates. The Bible gives good evidence that the earth is only about 6000 years old and says we started from one set of parents, and you can base logistics function calculations using those parameters as a constraint. Also, the Flood destroyed all but 8 people, and humans started over again. There have likewise been several other catastrophic events since the Flood that affected the human population like the disaster at Babel and the the Ice Age and possibly an ancient great war around the time of Atlantis.
      The question of how many people have ever lived has been thought of before, and there are some papers about it on the internet. Generally, the estimates were only tens of billions with the largest guess being about 200 billion. If you estimate that one person would need about 54 cubic feet to have enough room to swirl around in the Lake of Fire and you assume all 200 billion who ever lived go to hell, then they could all fit in 74 cubic miles.
      The Valley of Hinnom is not big enough to contain 74 cubic miles, but the Bible in Isaiah 34 describes the destruction of “all the nations” and talks about where it happens. The place of their destruction is Edom, which is south of Jerusalem at the south end of the Dead Sea. So, a place of torment beginning at the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) just to the south of Jerusalem and extending south to Edom (Isaiah 34:2-9) fits the requirements of Enoch and Isaiah. Enoch says the place of torment is the right of the temple (Enoch 90:27) or to its south since Ezekiel’s temple will face east. Isaiah says the place of torment will be within view of worshipers who come to Jerusalem (Isaiah 66:23-24) on the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23). One can certainly fit 74 cubic miles into the area south of Jerusalem extending down to Edom. Even if you estimate that 1 trillion people go to hell, you can still hold all that many in 367 cubic miles, a volume that can fit in the region south of Jerusalem extending down into Edom. The three dimensional earth can obviously accommodate populations much larger than 1 trillion in a Lake of Fire.

      Enoch says the Judgment will be in the Holy Land (Enoch 90:20, 27). The two pits of punishment appear to be to the north and south of Jerusalem. Mount Hermon in the north is a possibility for the Abyss/Bottomless Pit, as Tom Horn says Mount Hermon is the location for one of the Gates of Hell, and Enoch says Mount Hermon is the place where the fallen angels first came to earth (Enoch 6:6). Enoch places Gehenna (the Lake of Fire) to the south of Jerusalem (Enoch 90:27), and Isaiah agrees with a location for Hell (Gehenna) south of Jerusalem (Isaiah 34:1-17, 66:22-24).

  16. Gerald Rowell says:

    Thanks for the time you spent on my reply. Your site is chocked full of info. Love that you are a Trump supporter. My wife and I pray for him everyday. We also believe he was devinely appointed.
    God Bless

    • I also believe Trump was divinely appointed and is divinely protected. He may be a fulfillment of several OT types like Cyrus and Hezekiah, at least Rick Joyner and others have remarked about Trump’s likeness to Cyrus.
      My concern about Trump is why I didn’t see it coming very far in advance? All I saw before 2016 was end times doom and gloom. In 2016 I saw Sundar Selvaraj, Neville Johnson, Mark Taylor, and one associated with Rick Joyner that prophesied Trump would be the next president in 2016, but before that, all I saw was doom and gloom. I think God gave us a season of grace and has shortened the days of the rule of evil in order that some flesh would still be living when Jesus comes (Mt 24:22).
      The doom and gloom is still coming, but it has been put off while God rescues His end times “city of refuge”, i.e. America. Sundar says we get two terms of Trump, but I think Trump does not quite complete (a few months short) his second term due to a war with Russia. We get seven years of plenty, but these years are followed by 7 years of extreme hardship. Trump is about to clean house of the pedophiles, traitors, murderers and lawless and replace them with judgment, righteousness, and law abiding. We will see some good years ahead, if I understand correctly, but military tribunals for the lawless will continue probably throughout the Trump presidency. It will take a long time to hold a million trials, even with military tribunals.

      God bless,


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